Let's consider a number of scenarios:

#1: Kucinich saw a spacecraft piloted by extra-terrestrials.

If this were indeed so, he needs to own the account he gave to Shirley MacLaine, and he also needs to report his sighting to NASA. The discovery of life from other galaxies would be the pinnacle accomplishment of our space program, and Kucinich is wasting the public resources dedicated to doing that by withholding his information.

Also, as I mentioned before, he needs to tell us what the extra-terrestrials told him to "guide" him according to the Shirley MacLaine account, and whether or not he has been following these orders, as they could be part of a malicious scheme perpetrated by hostile beings.

#2: Kucinich saw some unidentified U.S. military aircraft.

If this were the case, the last person he should have told was Shirley MacLaine. Our advanced weaponry is top-secret for a reason: to preserve our military advantage and protect our freedoms in the face of enemies who would take them away. If such weaponry is flying into airspace visible to civilians, our armed forces probably need to learn of their mistake in order to preserve the secrecy of our defense programs. A U.S. congressman would likely have the access needed to report this, and even verify if it were the case.

#3: Kucinich saw some unidentified enemy aircraft.

This is the most chilling and frightening scenario. We do not know the date of the sighting; for all we know, this could have occurred while we were still at cold war with the Soviet Union, and the UFO could have been one of their advanced weapons. It could be in the hands of Russian organized crime after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and possibly sold to a group of people hostile to our interests. That he did not report this sighting would be gravely irresponsible, especially for someone who is charged with being mindful of our national security.

#4: Kucinich lied to Shirley MacLaine.

This theory does not bode well for Kucinich's reputation as an honest candidate. Indeed, he may have simply told Shirley MacLaine something that she wanted to hear, perhaps to gain some undeserved esteem. This is not an uncommon trait in politicians, but it would call into question the position he enjoys amongst his supporters as a candidate that operates above the fray.

Indeed, it appears that on another occasion he was found pandering to a fringe element, either intentionally, or through naiveté. The 2001 version of his Space Preservation Act includes a reference to "chemtrails", the subject of popular speculative conspiracy theories. The reference was deleted in future versions of the act, after it had proven to be a subject of ridicule.

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But he introduced articles of impeachment!

He did so in his role as a member of the House of Representatives, which is independant of his presidential run. It does not qualify him for the presidency.

Why are you bringing up this irrelevant thing?

Seeing something from outer space, or that is possibly top secret aircraft of our own or belonging to the Soviet Union, and not acting properly in response, is not an irrelevant thing. To claim that it is still irrelevant in the face of these considerations implies that you really don't believe he saw it, in which case he lied, which is again relevant when you consider he is being sold as an honest politician in contrast to the others.

::yawn::

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I'll bet they aren't turned off by his observations. And what do you 'actually' have against DK? This is bogus imo; what's your agenda?

I do not necessarily say that he did not see a UFO. I question his reaction to it, or his motives behind it.

flying object. He didn't attempt to say what it was. I believe him, because about 15 members of my family and myself also saw one. We watched it from our patio door for about 10 minutes as it hung in the air about old apple tree height making no noise. Then it left. I also can't identify what I saw, just that it was in the air and it was a flying object.

Per this well attended poll:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2172499&mesg_id=2172499

The UFO connection is NOT what is hurting DK's chance of becoming President. What is hurting is lack of attention via the corporate M$M, lack of name recognition in general, and an inability to compete on the same financial playing field as those "better connected".

If Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan said they saw a UFO, do you think it would have hurt their election chances? I doubt it.

Your simply repeating a RW talking point with your OP.

It is about whether or not he understands his duties to the country.

You question his comprehension of duty due to his reaction to seeing something he couldn't identify?

Wow... just wow.

A president will have to deal with all sorts of ambiguous situations where they will have to quickly consider all possibilities and implications of a given scenario. Kucinich failed to recognize some very important implications of his UFO sighting.

Or... we simply don't know all the precise and relevant details.

However, I'm pretty sure that if he did tell all the precise and relevant details, someone would complain about about how he won't stick to the important issues.

I think life on other planets/national security is important though.

I don't know of anyone living in rural areas (where you're away from bright city lighting and can see the dark sky) who hasn't seen some unexplainable phenomenan up in the sky like bright lights that appear and then all of a sudden disappear, making you go WTF?

Yet some kook can claim to see the Pope's image in the flames from a fire and everyone is ready to flock to the scene and get down on their knees.

"An historic occasion will take place in Washington on Monday. Former high level government employees, military officials and pilots from all over the world will come together. They'll discuss their own UFO sightings and encounters -- and they'll do it at the National Press Club in the nation's capital. Some of them will share their stories for the first time."

he said he saw something in the sky. he did not know what it was. he could not identify it. therefore it was an unidentified flying object.

I see things in the sky at night. they have lights on them. I presume it is an aircraft, but I cannot be sure from a distance.

Msongs

Just when I was lamenting the lowering of political discourse, LZ provides impassioned insight into this burning issue!

:popcorn: MKJ

You think this is low discourse? Ha! I imagine in the days just prior to primary nomination, we'll have fallen to the point in which we're arguing about candidates leaving tips... oops.


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That about says it all to me and I think most Americans, too.

That response shows clearly what is important and unimportant. The media can say their b.s. about the UFO all they want. But that line right there indicts every politician and every other candidate.

Tell that to NASA and the U.S. Defense Department.

That'd explain a lot...

We have a pResident that cannot speak English, has no
grasp of foreign policy and hears voices that tell him
what to do.

How do you know that he did not try to report his sightings
to the proper authorities? My uncle, a retired Air Force pilot
says that sightings are not uncommon by pilots but, reporting
it is rare. This is due to the 'they must be crazy' tag that
is usually applied to the reports before the reports are buried. If
this stigma is present to the Air Force pilots if they report
a sighting, why would anyone report it to the 'authorities',
especially a mere citizen.

he did NOT try to report this to the proper authorities.
If you cannot, it is speculation on your part, much like
speculating about what you see in the skies.

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He's a man of courage, right? He should not be afraid of this issue, and should answer the very important questions surrounding it.

to discuss more relevant issues than the potential for
extra-terrestrial life. It is a moot point. DK has shown
nothing but all out underdog courage in this election season.
I could cherry-pick statements from every candidate running
in the primaries on both sides and make a mountainous issue
out of a molehill about it.
To be quite honest, I could care less whether he did or did
not see one. I could care less who he told it to. As far as
revealing military secrets - I am sure he could do that being
as he did not know what he saw. :eyes:

Just a guess. Either nutjobs or really bad at math. Or both.

scientific minds have not ruled out the
possibility.

Like ANY of the Republicans are qualified to be President?

Here are the qualifications to be President of the United States:

US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

I was having trouble getting to sleep. I think your post would have fixed that.

Go, Dennis!

are you applying the same standard to him?

I was expecting something better. Like how this kind of nonsense is irrelevant when it comes to evaluating candidates.

What's your point here? Why are you picking on a candidate who has very little chance of winning the election?

Did he do something to personally offend you?

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He might not be as serious about his plans and goals as we think.

because otherwise the wheat gums up the works. Dennis was joking about the UFO, while tim russert IS A JOKE! The world is in a crisis- is anyone who's so asinine that some mention of UFO in a relation's book could determine their outlook; is such a creature worth risking as an ally? Wouldn't they be better enemies? maybe the UFO thing was just spraying Raid in a room where lotsa cockroaches are hiding? tim russert=one daid cockroach :)
btw junyer bush's successful career says ted bundy shoulda been president! Maybe we could clone Ted? we need ted bundy to lead us into the future ...he's perfect gop

If you feel such a great need to beat up on those who pose no threat to you or your favorite candidate, perhaps you should seek some counseling.

And claiming ET waved at him from Flash Gordon's rocket ship isn't helping.

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This post is even sillier than your Greatest Page petulance.

Again, qualifications for President of the United States:

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

What nonsense.

Out of all the ways you look at it, one way stands out:

DK did not acknowledge LoZoccolo's initial message to earth as he was hovering over MacLaine's residence:

"Greetings Earthling. I am the mighty hoof of the centrist empire. I come in peace to bring your planet the blessings of our free trade empire."

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Hell has no fury like an alien scorned.

My DU name is derived from the Democratic Party mascot.

like the devil's cloven hoof.

A donkey with cloven hooves is alien to this planet, but certainly possible throughout the infinite universe.

It's thought-provoking to merge the stubborn donkey with the randy pagan god Pan, the cartoon caricature of the evil devil, and the creatures the bible gives permission to devour.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That's the funniest thing I've read on DU in years. :D

Relieves stress and all that, you know. ;)

:hi:

:shrug:

'They' tell you all about it anyway between being president-elect & inauguration. It won't be a shock to Dennis, he'll already know as he seems to know so many things the others don't.

:hi:

and I don't think Jesus will ever come back.

18% support Cheney.

but I guess when you are for a candidate who has nothing going for her except a popular spouse, you have to come up with dumbass, distracting arguments against the only person officially running who would change the status quo, which you are desperate to preserve.

you are a mean-spirited, reactionary, small-minded but clever phony who is good at writing posts that are just Democratic-sounding enough to keep from getting ts'ed but still show you're anything but a Democrat.

Do you have any real issues with Dennis, or are you going to be the rw's water boy up until he does or does not win the election?

...at the same time they are letting fly frantic and spurious accusations of me being a disruptor?

lol

now if you'll excuse me i'll be working on my "FUCK LOZOCCOLO" avatar.

It was nice around here when you were away recovering from hoof in mouth disease.

remarks about him

Better you try to explain your candidate's predilection for kissing the asses of corporatists, coaching audience members what to say/ask, voting to give a professional liar and plunderer of the public treasury unlimited powers to do whatever he wants, holding war mongering positions, pimping for the insurance companies, whoring for the defense industry, treacherously triangulating, etc ad nauseum than desperately flailing at dumb things about her challengers. Do you have issues with anything of substance about DK? Or are you so desperate, this is all you can come up with?

If DK were truly a "kook," a "fringer," a "New Age loon," why would you even bother?

I feel that you represent a typical HRC constituent: a fake DINO who probably has mucho interest in corporate personhood, exploitation of foreign countries, serfdom and debtors prison for the masses who will be held in perpetual obeisance to the military-industrial globalists who want to privatize the very air we breathe, the seeds we sow, and the water we drink. HRC is your trojan horse "democrat" who will fulfill your greed-head wet dreams.

you were offended enough about the "distortions" about HRC's tipping at a restaurant to start a whiny-ass thread about it (oh, boo hoo, gee, people might get the wrong impression that she is elitist and insensitive or something], and everyone has seen your threads/posts supporting her.

but like a typical DINO, you have to see which way the wind is blowing to make a really firm commitment to anything I guess.

That does not mean I will vote for her.

so you're a hypocrite on top of everything else -- gee, what a surprise -- NOT

Does he or does he not admit to seeing a UFO here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G980aLrAwoM

--the kind of distortion you thrive on--a non sequitur, irrelevant to his accomplishments and his guts (unlike your trojan horse HRC) in resisting the globalist, warmongering predator scum whom you worship and model yourself after. And I am done with this stupid thread. I won't be back. I have more important things to do than engage in nonsensical nonarguments with someone who prides himself on looking "innocent" while spewing crap and distortions.

Comment made by someone interviewed by the mainstream media after this "hard-hitting piece of investigative journalism" was launched.

This is a non-issue. It's right up there with Obama's flag and Hillary's tip. It reflects poorly on those who keep bringing it up.

It may have been during the eighties. I'm not sure when he lived with Shirley MacLaine, and even though it was likely during that period, it may not have been.

UFO sightings. If Dennis went buckwild and screamed about his experience, he would not be in office today. People would laugh at him. Your points work well on paper, but not in real life.

I still think he would make a great president.

He has set himself in opposition to seven other candidates, after all.

You get you boxers in a bunch over people who don't bow down before the big D party, but you have no problems attacking and mocking those within it.I don't care that you post this stuff, but don't turn around and act like you're so concerned with the Party.You only care about a certain segment of it, not it's overall well being.How does posting a thread about DK seeing a UFO and including only a "lol" in the body of the post help any of us LoZo?

With all your hatred of Nader you of all people should know that the Dems need BOTH the center and the left to succeed.You saw what happened in 2000 when the left decided to go a different way from the center, right?

I get tired of people on both sides throwing around terms like "corporate whore" or "fringe leftist".We need each other, and your approach just makes that coming together harder and harder.You hurt the Dems, not help them, and if you really gave a shit about it you'd step back and rethink your approach.And that goes for those that harp on the center all the time as well while saying they're Dems.Time to grow up, because this isn't a fucking game.

I don't think that Dennis Kucinich has a problem with it either, as you can see here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSuIx-_XzSM

He says bad things about other Democrats and calls them "enablers". I think that's part of his role as one of eight candidates competing for the same nomination. I might disagree with what he says or not, but I do understand that they will attack each other; they knew that when they signed up.



In conflict, one is prone to feel many, many things. It is a very, very human endeavor.

I still hold that any attempt to cast this as "irrelevant" contains an underlying assumption that the UFO sighting did not really happen, which is another relevant issue in light of Kucinich's characterization as more honest than the other politicians. There would just be too many national security issues involved had it taken place, and would possibly mark a seismic shift in foreign policy as "foreign" would begin to extend to beings beyond this planet.

See: Mukasey, Patriot Act, IWR, Kyl Lieberman... Lieberman.

#3: Kucinich saw some unidentified enemy aircraft.




So picture the OP typing these above paragraphs with a straight face.

clearly trolling, but you cant teach an old dog (lozo) new tricks, like posting on matters of substance instead of driving wedge issues against non centrist candidates... his schtick since he mudskippered onto DU's shores.

Transitions from one system to another invariably leave holes for opportunists to walk through.

:rofl:

... delivering a sucker punch to marginalize Kucinich because Kucinich speaks the truth, and we can't have that doncha know.

... because the DC Machine can't abide Dennis' truth-telling.

This is another example of pundit/talking heads inappropriately inserting themselves into an election.

lying to Shirley Maclaine about a UFO is like lying about sex.

Former Mercury astronaut Gordon Cooper is also among the countless eyewitnesses to UFO sightings.

Last night Larry King had several UFOlogists, including the former USAF commander of an airbase in the UK which was the site of a significant UFO landing.

Your attack on Dennis is because you just hate any progressive, and you are using his sighting of a UFO to spew your hatred.

BTW, Dennis never said that the UFO was an alien spaceship.

I will also add that Bill Clinton added to the UFO secrecy by banning people from Freedom Ridge from which one could see the lights of the Area 51 base in the distance, and push them 9 miles further back.

Several Area 51 workers were exposed to toxic chemicals used on the skins of super secret stealth aircraft, and the sued the government in federal court. Renowned constitutional scholar, and frequent Keith Olberman's guest, Jonathan Turley was one of their lawyers.

Secrecy is being used to cover up government waste and abuse, and those are the issues that people that want to lift UFO secrecy are pursuing.

...but how one reacts to it, which is the subject of the post that you probably ignored.

a UFO, also, and thus know the correct reaction?

Or do you just have way too much time on your hands and dispair of the fact that Dennis has a platform that adresses the hopes, dreams and asperations of Americans, instead of the Corporate Cronyism of your prefered candidate?

The platform is only one part of one's presidential campaign; another part is establishing leadership qualities. Kucinich's failure to address the implications of what may have been a major event does not give me confidence in his ability to see them when he takes the helm of the nation.

Didnt seem to disqualify them.

...that damned important. This post is frivolous and gratuitous at best. We need to focus on the issues and the character of each candidate.

-Paige

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incredibly tongue-in-cheek yet i cannot be sure if you are being serious. if you are, then this is ridiculous. not believing in other life in the universe is inane in and of itself. however, whether or not this life is at a more advanced stage technological wies than humanity is another question altogether. also, it is an unidentified flying object, not necessarily a craft of an extra-terrestial. so i am drawn to one and only one explanation as to the motivation behind this post, are you an alien hillbot? is that hillary's true parentage, that of persons from another planet who are engaging in a secret coup in an attempt to overthrow the united states government? aha! ye blackguard, we shall not let your alien machine-like ungrateful non-tipping candidate get the better of us. the supporters of dennis shall rise up in a great wave and put a stop to you. oh wait, nevermind, you probably do not listen to what i am saying. hillary and all. hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evi.

90 responses and one rec. what could that mean?

DK saw a triangular unidentified craft. Period. As you know presidents have been kept of the loop when it comes to secret technologies. President Carter admitted to seeing a UFO also, and was never given an adequate explaination for them, President Clinton as well was kept out of the ultra secret loop when he inquired into this subject. President Eisenhower was kept out of the military industrial complex loop, and this inspired his speech on the subject. These men did not compromise American intelligence.
Have you read Hidden Truth Forbidden Knowlege by Dr Steven Greer? Heard of the disclosure project?
Unfortunately anyone bringing up this topic is subjected to the mainstream spin on UFOs, which is to question the character of the witness. This is actually a very important issue, because it relates to the ultra secret government, which keep even presidents uninformed as to their business, and they do not have any oversight. Suggesting that UFOs need to be reported to NASA is evidence of inexperience in this matter.

My criticism would apply if Kucinich didn't have the first idea what he saw, because it could have been any of the things I consider. I'm not sure what I'd add to the list of possibilities.

in fact we've all seen plenty of ground objects we can't identify. I'm still trying to identify the vegetables the GOP picked for their candidates. Giuliani is a turnip, (I think); Ron Paul is an onion....:D

This is an over-hyped situation, just like virtually everything else in this abominably long Primary Season.

IF DK had said he was taken aboard an alien ship, probed, went through vivisection and miraculously put back together, had sex w/a "beautiful alien female", etc, I would think this was something perhaps a tad "off".

Object, Flying, Unidentified.....UFO...might have been a baseball from a distance, if he couldn't identify it, and no one else could either, he saw a UFO.

I can think of 20 reasons other than this that will keep DK form getting the nomination, just one more tinder to the fire...:eyes:

isn't that what you bemoan of people that don't like HRC policies?

It's called the primary? All eight candidates are "working against a Democrat"; each one is working against seven others. This is like you trying to hypnotize me again.

Those who support or oppose DK aren't going to care about what some nobody on DU with an obvious agenda thinks about their opinion.

Maybe you can't, and I'm assuming too much. :shrug:

I think I might have made people think about whether or not Kucinich might be telling people things they want to hear, irrespective of whether or not they've been treated seriously enough to get done.

Of course, the poster would have had Dennis lie.

Go Dennis! :woohoo:
http://dennis4president.com
Choose Peace!

Kucinich did not act as if #1-#3 were the case.

The IQ level of this board has dropped over the last few months if this is the criteria we are using. Much of it is using "you connect the dots" rather than offering real hard evidence to the contrary.

I have no issue whether it be Hillary Clinton, Barak Obama or Joe Biden believing the same thing. And who exactly is to say they don't when they haven't responded to the same question.

It's one thing to beleive you saw a UFO. It's entirely another to claim that you were anally probed by aliens. Right there is where I draw the line at possible mental illness.

Kucinish's experience on the subject is not really far off from the general US population.

People believing in wierd things is nothing new. As a matter of fact, everyone does. Would the same disqualify one from being a lawyer, Dr, Pharmacist or grocery store clerk?

Unfortunaly this race is turning out to be an arguement of non sequitor issues.

qualified Lawyer. It means nothing he saw something that could not be explained I have seen many things that could be readily explained also and it did not get me kicked out of the service. As far as the UFO being military well they only test advanced aircraft in desolate areas like the dessert south west. Kucinich is a very qualified candidate he has more time holding a public office than Clinton & Obama combined.

No way can it help you.

http://www.presidentialufo.com/ronald_reagan's_ufo_sightings.htm

That's the answer the next time anyone tries to paint one of our candidates as a loon like this.

DK doesn't deserve ridicule for this.

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Is he threatening you or your chosen candidate in some way? Are you upset because he questioned the sanity of *? Are you angry because he wants to impeach Cheney? What exactly is your problem with Dennis? You are upset that he saw an Un-identified Flying Object? Talk about fake outrage.

Apologize for the strawmen and I might tell you.

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Thanks for entering my ignore column. I'm not really interested in what you have to say to continue a discussion with you.:hi: