Nobody cares about Hillary's tips, fundraising, plants or other such nonsense

Herman Munster

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Sat Nov-10-07 10:38 PM
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Nobody cares about Hillary's tips, fundraising, plants or other such nonsense

The candidates are going to win on the issues. The other nonsense is just garbage to keep the 24/7 news cycle going for the political junkies. Nobody who matters gives a shit.

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fenriswolf

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Sat Nov-10-07 10:41 PM
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1. right its about the issues

so why the plants? if its about the issues why the smoke and mirrors?

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asthmaticeog

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Sat Nov-10-07 10:42 PM
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2. Um, nobody's won an election on the issues in my lifetime.

Presidents win the Presidency on the basis of emotional responses (and crap Supreme Court rulings). And if you think that "nobody who matters gives a shit" about the trivialities that drive campaigns today, you might want to remember what the requirements are to vote in the USA and rethink that position. And grow up, while you're at it.

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merbex

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Sat Nov-10-07 10:54 PM
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5. You are so right

The clearest example was Ronald Reagan. His own strategist, Richard Wirthlin, realized that reagan "lost" on issues. Reagan got elected because people liked him and trusted him ( whether it was warranted or not isn't the point).

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TreasonousBastard

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Sat Nov-10-07 11:07 PM
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10. And don't forget Nixon, who lost...

to JFK largely because he didn't shave before the first televised debate in 1960.

(Issues? We don't need no steenking issues.)

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John Q. Citizen

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Sat Nov-10-07 10:44 PM
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3. If Hill can't answer an honest question on the issues, then you can understand why I feel she

fails on the issues.

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bluestateguy

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Sat Nov-10-07 10:45 PM
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4. What about Whitewater and the Rose Law firm billing records?

Huh? What about the murder of Vince Foster?

:boring:

Oh and while were at it, maybe we can rehash some more dirty laundry from the 1990's, like who REALLy attacked Nancy Kerrigan, and the trials of John and Lorena Bobbitt.

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madrchsod

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Sat Nov-10-07 10:54 PM
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6. does she know the the truth about....

WHO KILLED KENNY!

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Renew Deal

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Sat Nov-10-07 10:58 PM
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7. You're correct

But the plant thing leaves a bad taste after all these years of Bush doing it.

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DURHAM D

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Sun Nov-11-07 12:56 AM
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17. Oh please... n/t

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mwb970

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Sun Nov-11-07 06:08 AM
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18. bush does it on a much larger scale.

bush repeatedly screens entire audiences to make sure each and every one is ultra-friendly, denying admission if not. A Hillary staffer at an open meeting suggested to a student that they bring up global warming.

On what planet are these equivalent?

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Jim Sagle

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Sat Nov-10-07 11:00 PM
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8. You are correct. OTOH, she's stil a corporatist.

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Skip Intro

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Sat Nov-10-07 11:03 PM
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9. I agree. n/t

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karynnj

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Sat Nov-10-07 11:12 PM
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11. Then why are you bringing them up?

I think there are sufficient threads on these things already. I'll agree with you on tips and plants - one is not true, the other pretty petty. But, fundraising can become a real problem, if any more shoes fall there. The problem is that corruption is a major issue. There have already been 2 fund raising issues of some significance, Hsu and the NYC Chinatown ones. The fact that this causes people to remember that they were accused of this in the 1990s too makes it more likely to be a problem. They need to be very careful on this.

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rufus dog

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Sat Nov-10-07 11:12 PM
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12. you are 1/3 right

1. Tips, come on, even is she forgot and corrected it later it is no issue.
2. Fund raising - very questionable practices with Chinese investors - If Bush did the same would it bother you? I think yes.
3. Plants - Just flat out lame, a Bush tactic that is despised.

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Forkboy

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Sun Nov-11-07 07:36 PM
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21. Took the words right off my keyboard.

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MadHound

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Sat Nov-10-07 11:14 PM
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13. Will one of those issues sink Hillary's campaign, no, not individually.

However the cumulative effect of these things piling up, especially shit like her planted questions and such will certainly slow her down, perhaps fatally so.

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Bitwit1234

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Sat Nov-10-07 11:27 PM
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14. Oh you care more about Obama bashing the boomers hell

that makes a lot of sense. But let him keep it up he is showing he out of his league with the big guys. He is too immature to matter.

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laugle

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Mon Nov-12-07 12:44 AM
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24. Bashing the Boomers is a really bad strategy for

1 big reason............THEY VOTE!!

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guruoo

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Sun Nov-11-07 12:53 AM
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15. It does keep the Paris Hilton wing of the party entertained.

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calteacherguy

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Sun Nov-11-07 12:54 AM
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16. Character matters. There has never been an election decided only on the "issues."

Edited on Sun Nov-11-07 12:56 AM by calteacherguy

There are issues of character, honesty, and trustworthiness.

Important issues.

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Perry Logan

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Sun Nov-11-07 07:17 AM
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19. Spoken like a Republican.

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Renew Deal

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Sun Nov-11-07 07:05 PM
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20. Spoken like a Democrat

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Forkboy

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Sun Nov-11-07 07:38 PM
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22. Don't project your lack of ideals on the rest of us.

The tips is a stupid thing, the others aren't.

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dionysus

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Sun Nov-11-07 07:38 PM
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23. um, actually a lot of us do...

next?

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laugle

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Mon Nov-12-07 12:49 AM
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25. I think those things matter to her enemies and people who don't like her

already. They like to build on anything they can find on her.

The people who support her are not interested in those minor stories, it's the bigger issue's that count, like saving the f--king country.

I know many here will disagree and that's their prerogative.

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Hell Hath No Fury

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Mon Nov-12-07 12:13 PM
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26. "Nobody" checking in!

Edited on Mon Nov-12-07 12:13 PM by Hell Hath No Fury

:hi:

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zulchzulu

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Mon Nov-12-07 12:20 PM
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27. If you're in denial on latest Hillary Clinton stories, this is a good strategy

It's a good thing the media doesn't focus on stuff like Swiftboaters and such. Thank God for their solid, clear view on the issues and the time they spend on the complexities.

:sarcasm:

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Beaverhausen

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Mon Nov-12-07 12:23 PM
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28. If it was all about issues, Dennis Kuchinch would be in the lead

it's all about who the media decides will be the candidate.

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