Fact Check: Obama on Meet the Press

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Iran

Sen. Obama criticized Hillary's vote for Kyl-Lieberman because—he argued—the resolution said that force structures in Iraq would have an impact on Iranian influence:

The primary difference between myself and Senator Clinton is that she believes our force structure inside Iraq should in part depend on how we can prevent Iran from having influence inside of Iraq.

Actually, Sen. Obama said the exact same thing just last year:

A reduced but active presence will also send a clear message to hostile countries like Iran and Syria that we intend to remain a key player in this region

…Make no mistake, if the Iranians and Syrians think they can use Iraq as another Afghanistan or a staging area from which to attack Israel or other countries, they are badly mistaken. It is in our national interest to prevent this from happening.

Social Security

Sen. Obama claimed that Hillary said that all we need to do to solve the long term challenges in social security is return to fiscal responsibility:

So on social security for example, she has maintained, it appears, that if we just get our fiscal house in order that we can solve the problem of Social Security.

Actually, Hillary said that returning to fiscal responsibility is the first step. Then she would appoint a bi-partisan commission to address Social Security's long term challenges that would consider a variety of options:

"But I am strongly advocating a bipartisan process, similar to what we had in '83, and when that gets set up, as I hope it will be when I'm president, then I'm going to see what the bipartisan members are going to come up with."

This was an approach that, until very recently, Sen. Obama endorsed. Here's Sen. Obama in May:

Everything should be on the table. I think we should approach it the same way Tip O'Neill and Ronald Reagan did back in 1983. They came together. I don't want to lay out my preferences beforehand, but what I know is that Social Security is solvable. It is not as difficult a problem as we're going to have with Medicaid and Medicare.

the ability next year to say "we didn't say this first - we are just quoting Edwards and Obama". Reagan's 12th commandment - say no evil of a fellow party member - and do not lie about them - seems forgotten.

No matter - what will be will be.

And after the outcome of the primaries, I will vote in the general for whoever the Democrats nominate.

Who needs independent sources and information when the official propagandists do such a "fine" job...

http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

Love the photo ~

n/t

Unintentionally this post again raises the specter of having enemies of social security itself and fans of privatization so the nation's last ditch pension can get swallowed up in Wall Street's gambling addiction embraced into plans for its future. A giant step backward in principle if past patterns are followed. We want more of the Senator Moynihan approach where privatization is a key surrender issue at the end of this train tunnel? of course such a danger is vague since she says "she will see what they come up with". That is one process that in itself deserves to be explained very carefully, even more than the unknown decision process that comes after such a commission. Of course she said 1983 not the subsequent bi-partisan efforts that by dint of the power of avowed enemies of social security lusting from control of the money pot were the last great threat to the entire system itself. To her credit i think Hillary is envisioning a switch in the power bias.

That is presuming the numbers gained by her coattails in 2008 point more to FDR than Hoover and the third way is not more interested in tinkering with the third rail to make it amenable to corporate interests. And that the DC Dems will be stronger in defense of the progressive nature of democratic government.

I would not say that the discussion of such things are absolutely clear and predictable, just worth thinking about. In the heat of campaigning we are dealing primarily with media gotcha rules that should be destroyed as much as possible. Even when we credit one candidate or another for being above or tainted by this game we acknowledge their legitimacy. As do the candidates when inevitably politics is applied in the natural course of competition.

beyond the fact that the republicans hate it.

the rest is bullshit.

S/he will get to decide which repukes will be on the committee and outside of Congress, there are reasonable repukes.

The anger and hostility he showed when faced with hard questions was sad to see.

- Harry Truman

To Obama, "truth" seems to matter on which way the polling is leaning.

:rofl:

Even donated to Obama. Can I get my 75 dollars back?
Of the rest, I wouldn't trust Edwards on anything, ever.
And Clinton seems the best choice to defeat the GOP.
So, can you refute the info from the OP?
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Iran

Sen. Obama criticized Hillary's vote for Kyl-Lieberman because—he argued—the resolution said that force structures in Iraq would have an impact on Iranian influence:

The primary difference between myself and Senator Clinton is that she believes our force structure inside Iraq should in part depend on how we can prevent Iran from having influence inside of Iraq.

Actually, Sen. Obama said the exact same thing just last year:

A reduced but active presence will also send a clear message to hostile countries like Iran and Syria that we intend to remain a key player in this region

…Make no mistake, if the Iranians and Syrians think they can use Iraq as another Afghanistan or a staging area from which to attack Israel or other countries, they are badly mistaken. It is in our national interest to prevent this from happening.

Social Security

Sen. Obama claimed that Hillary said that all we need to do to solve the long term challenges in social security is return to fiscal responsibility:

So on social security for example, she has maintained, it appears, that if we just get our fiscal house in order that we can solve the problem of Social Security.

Actually, Hillary said that returning to fiscal responsibility is the first step. Then she would appoint a bi-partisan commission to address Social Security's long term challenges that would consider a variety of options:

"But I am strongly advocating a bipartisan process, similar to what we had in '83, and when that gets set up, as I hope it will be when I'm president, then I'm going to see what the bipartisan members are going to come up with."

This was an approach that, until very recently, Sen. Obama endorsed. Here's Sen. Obama in May:

Everything should be on the table. I think we should approach it the same way Tip O'Neill and Ronald Reagan did back in 1983. They came together. I don't want to lay out my preferences beforehand, but what I know is that Social Security is solvable. It is not as difficult a problem as we're going to have with Medicaid and Medicare.

make me say "I will NOT vote for either of them" give it a break people, for crying out loud!!!!

Learn from Herm.