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Popol Vuh

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Sun Nov-11-07 06:12 PM
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Why, Senator Clinton?

"We ask Clinton why she voted for an amendment that could be used as support for attacking Iran"

http://www.therealnews.com/web/index.php?thisdataswitch=0&thisid=485&thisview=item

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cuke

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Sun Nov-11-07 06:14 PM
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1. flame bait

old subject and the OP adds nothing to the discussion. Just another iteration of the propoganda

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mod mom

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Sun Nov-11-07 06:21 PM
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5. This is a legimate issue that Sen Webb describes aptly in the video at the link.

It's only flamebait if you're sensitive if you like to avoid discussion on this vote.

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cuke

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Sun Nov-11-07 07:12 PM
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16. old subject and the OP adds nothing to the discussion. Just another iteration of the propoganda

I gave my reasoning, which you totally ignored because you can't refute what I said

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mod mom

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Sun Nov-11-07 08:07 PM
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21. I don't believe we should dismiss the significance of the Kyl Lieberman vote. With

a possible new war lurking in the future, we need to seriously evaluate her stance. Especially since she is a presidential candidate.

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cuke

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Sun Nov-11-07 08:09 PM
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22. old subject and the OP adds nothing to the discussion. Just another iteration of the propoganda

I gave my reasoning, which you totally ignored because you can't refute what I said

Let me know when you post a responsive response

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mod mom

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Sun Nov-11-07 08:18 PM
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25. After reading your posts, you are exactly the type of person I associate with

Senator Clinton.

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cuke

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Sun Nov-11-07 09:04 PM
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30. Thank you

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mod mom

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Sun Nov-11-07 09:14 PM
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34. I guess a WELCOME TO DU is in order. It's a tradition we extend to all newcomers.

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cuke

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Sun Nov-11-07 09:15 PM
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35. Thank you again

You're very gracious

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JackORoses

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Sun Nov-11-07 10:21 PM
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38. you would rather have someone's thread locked than discuss your candidate's mistakes

that is pure Hillarity

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blm

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Sun Nov-11-07 07:01 PM
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13. Was it flamebait when Sen. Webb stated his view? My, you're so protective

Edited on Sun Nov-11-07 07:01 PM by blm

of the enabling wing of the party.

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Auntie Bush

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Sun Nov-11-07 11:12 PM
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50. You tell'm cuke! n/t

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Evergreen Emerald

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Sun Nov-11-07 06:17 PM
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2. and--it is not true.

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burythehatchet

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Sun Nov-11-07 06:19 PM
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3. Very well done segment.

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madfloridian

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Sun Nov-11-07 06:25 PM
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6. Yes, it is excellent.

They presented it well.

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MethuenProgressive

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Sun Nov-11-07 06:20 PM
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4. Obama co-sponsored a bill saying the same thing, but didn't show for the K/L vote.

Pay attention, this is old news.

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RaleighNCDUer

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Sun Nov-11-07 10:57 PM
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48. Trying to change the subject and dismiss it, both in one post.

You're working too hard.

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LWolf

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Sun Nov-11-07 06:27 PM
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7. Great questions.

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for direct answers, though.

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RaleighNCDUer

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Sun Nov-11-07 06:34 PM
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8. Day 1: I stand by that vote

Day 2+: Stop wasting time, that's old news.

They don't defend it because it cannot be defended.

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AtomicKitten

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Sun Nov-11-07 06:39 PM
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9. Same M.O. Schwarzenegger used here in California.

Before the election, he promised he would address the pile of groping allegations. After the election when confronted by the press, Schwarzenegger gave a smug look, called it "old news," and walked away. And that was that. Not a peep about his cheesy behavior since.

Old news indeed. :eyes:

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Basileus Basileon

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Sun Nov-11-07 06:41 PM
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10. "Could be used."

:eyes:

How many times must the same garbage be disproved?

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RaleighNCDUer

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Sun Nov-11-07 06:44 PM
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11. Perhaps you could watch the video and answer the questions

for her.

Please. Enlighten us.

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Basileus Basileon

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Sun Nov-11-07 07:05 PM
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14. It's a bullshit question.

There's no language in the bill that could be used to support a war with Iran.

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Yael

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Sun Nov-11-07 07:48 PM
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18. AHahahaha!

And we trust the current administration with this green light?

You know, The Dark Lord of the Sith and The Decider?

:rofl:

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Basileus Basileon

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Sun Nov-11-07 10:37 PM
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41. Nope. That's why it's a bullshit question.

If they want war, and if they have the support for it in the Pentagon, do you really think they're going to give two shits about whether Congress has declared the IRGC to be supporting terror?

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RaleighNCDUer

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Sun Nov-11-07 08:03 PM
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20. So you are not willing to watch the video

and answer the SEVERAL questions on it.

Whatever.

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Basileus Basileon

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Sun Nov-11-07 10:38 PM
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42. No, I'm not.

I don't watch videos. If you wish me to answer questions, you can:
1. Ask them via text.
2. Link to someone asking them via text.

Otherwise, you can move along to someone else.

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RaleighNCDUer

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Sun Nov-11-07 10:45 PM
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44. Sorry, I'm not going to transcribe a 7 minute video for your amusement.

Have a nice day.

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Basileus Basileon

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Mon Nov-12-07 12:34 AM
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53. If they're simple questions, it's unnecessary to transcribe the whole thing.

If it requires seven minutes of talking to explain them, then they deserve to be in text where they can be properly considered.

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Lucinda

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Sun Nov-11-07 06:52 PM
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12. So congress should just not bother doing their jobs because

of something junior might try and twist into something it isn't?

I have no problem with her K/L vote. If junior desides to make things go boom he isnt going to try and retrofit K/L to get support. It will be much worse.

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cuke

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Sun Nov-11-07 07:11 PM
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15. Some think THEY get to decide when dems stand up and when dems stand down

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RaleighNCDUer

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Sun Nov-11-07 08:12 PM
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24. He doesn't have to TRY to twist anything.

K/L declared the Revolutionary Guard to be a terrorist organization. Several years ago, congress gave * the authority to wage war against terrorists and the countries that harbor them.

He already HAS the authority he needs - all he needed was the green light - the declaration that the Revolutionary Guard met the qualification of 'terror organization'.

Now, it's in his hands. If he chooses to do so, he WILL say that K/L demanded he take action. And it doesn't matter what Hillary or any other of the 74 who voted for it say THEIR intent was.

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Lucinda

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Sun Nov-11-07 09:00 PM
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29. It was a non-binding sense of the senate that specified

Edited on Sun Nov-11-07 09:01 PM by wlucinda

action to control actions within Iraq only. And that all non-military options be explored to deal with it otherwise.

The teeth were taken out of the version that passed.

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RaleighNCDUer

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Sun Nov-11-07 09:11 PM
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33. You just do not understand. THAT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE.

Congress is on record declaring Iran's revolutionary guard to be a terror organization.

That's all Bush wants. That's all Bush needs. What Congress intended is completely irrelevant. Binding/non-binding. Teeth/no teeth. Immaterial.

The Revolutionary Guard is a terror organization. Congress said so. That DEMANDS action (of course, only if * wants to). IF he does anything he WILL lay it at the feet of the K/L vote.

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Lucinda

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Sun Nov-11-07 10:12 PM
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37. You dont have to yell. I understand your point of view.

I just don't agree that K/L is a permission slip for anything.

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RaleighNCDUer

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Sun Nov-11-07 10:21 PM
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39. You still don't understand.

Your opinion does't matter. Only Bush's opinion matters, and he WILL take it as a permission slip. Argue all you want. It makes no difference. If he CAN use it, he WILL.

And I'm NOT yelling. I'm just too lazy to do the HTML for ITALICS.

:blush:

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laugle

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Sun Nov-11-07 10:46 PM
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46. Let's face it, Bush doesn't need a permission

slip either. You know he will do as he damn-well pleases, because he is the "dictator in chief!"

He's demented!!!

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RaleighNCDUer

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Sun Nov-11-07 10:54 PM
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47. True, that,

but you know that he will deflect all criticism by saying "I didn't CHOOSE to do this; the Democrats DEMANDED that I do this."

And 60% of Republicans and 20% of Democrats will believe it.

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laugle

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Sun Nov-11-07 11:07 PM
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49. Nahhhh....he's a lame duck idiot with a hammer!!

Edited on Sun Nov-11-07 11:08 PM by laugle

Frankly, I'm much more worried about the devalued dollar, and all of us losing half our money if it collapses!

Their already minting the new "Amero," currency, when we merge in the North American Union, and give-up sovereignty to Mexico and Canada!

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RaleighNCDUer

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Sun Nov-11-07 11:13 PM
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51. Beg to differ, but a lame duck with 15 months left in office

and no reelection to be accountable for, is no lame duck.

The critter I envision is more of a cornered rat, and have no illusions, he can still bite.

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laugle

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Sun Nov-11-07 11:24 PM
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52. Yea, but there's that pesky "LEGACY" thing, and

you know the only thing Bush cares about is how his daddy sees him.

But, I agree that he is extremely dangerous, and if congress can't stop him, there won't be a whole lot that we can do, unfortunately, this is the problem!!

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guruoo

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Sun Nov-11-07 07:43 PM
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17. Right or wrong, it IS issue based.

Thanks for sticking to the issues.

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mtnsnake

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Sun Nov-11-07 07:49 PM
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19. She did it for reverse psychology. Once elected, the Goddess of Peace will use diplomacy

and bring peace and goodwill to the world, thus pissing off all the DU'ers who always claimed she was a warmonger. How little they know...

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cuke

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Sun Nov-11-07 08:10 PM
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23. I wonder if some DUer's hostility to religion prevents them seeing that HRC is a Goddess of Peace

Edited on Sun Nov-11-07 08:10 PM by cuke

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mtnsnake

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Sun Nov-11-07 08:21 PM
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26. Could be that, combined with suppressed feelings of luuuve for her which haven't surfaced yet

...but instead manifests itself in ways too peculiar to identify. Only until the luuuuve that's hidden inside them for her rises to the surface, will they be able to appreciate the GOP for who she really is. O8)

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cuke

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Sun Nov-11-07 09:07 PM
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32. I call that the Dick Morris Syndrome (DMS)

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earthlover

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Sun Nov-11-07 10:01 PM
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36. Goddess of Peace? My what flavor is your Kool Aid?

Could you name a god/goddess who voted to authorize a war?

If so, it is not the god/goddess I am interested in.

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RaleighNCDUer

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Sun Nov-11-07 10:28 PM
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40. I think some use it tongue firmly in cheek -

Goddess of Peace = GOP.

Others don't get the joke.

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mtnsnake

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Sun Nov-11-07 10:44 PM
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43. It's not that at all. She really is the Goddess of Peace

That her initials are also GOP is just a coincidence, nothing to do with Grand Old Party.

Anyway, it'll be nice when she ends the war upon taking the oath of office if she's elected. She sure does set the standard for the rest of them, with the exception of Kucinich, maybe, who nobody can live up to.

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earthlover

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Mon Nov-12-07 07:53 AM
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55. So....was it the Iraq Peace Resolution your goddess voted for?

Maybe we should re-name it IPR?

Just amazing.

Orwell would be proud.

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earthlover

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Mon Nov-12-07 08:00 AM
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56. By the way..could you fill us in on just WHEN Hillary said she'd end the war upon taking the oath?

Please give links and/or quotes.

Are you making this stuff up? Do you actually believe this stuff about Hillary ending the war immediately? Being a goddess? I would say her being a real live goddess in the flesh is more believable than her taking us out of Iraq upon taking the oath of office!

Dream on.

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mtnsnake

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Mon Nov-12-07 08:17 AM
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57. No I am not making this stuff up. Good gawd. Here are some links:

You were asleep at the wheel when she said that she'd end the war immediately upon taking office and you're telling ME to dream on? lmfao.

Here are a few links that proves once again the "t" in mtnsnake stands for truth. Read them and enjoy what the Goddess of Peace has to offer to anyone with an open mind, including you, I hope. :smoke:

http://www.groupnewsblog.net/2007/10/breaking-hillary-promises-to-end-war.html
http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/15/breaking-news-hillary-pledges-to-end-war-immediately-upon-taking-office/
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2007_10/012277.php
http://firstladyforpresident.blogspot.com/2007/02/hillary-promises-to-end-war-if-elected.html

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earthlover

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Mon Nov-12-07 09:06 AM
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58. Hillary has said she will START bringing troops home....

not the same as ending the war immediately.

How long will troops be in Iraq under Clinton? I remember her saying they would be there a long time.

Did she change her mind? Why?

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mtnsnake

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Mon Nov-12-07 10:21 AM
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59. Look pal, she said she'd end the war upon taking the oath. WTF are you blind?

For chrise sakes it was on every major network the day after she said it, and I just provided 4 links out of thousands that proved she said that. Stop wasting everyone's time avoiding reality on purpose.

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earthlover

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Mon Nov-12-07 07:12 PM
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61. She said she would BEGIN to remove troops upon her inauguration...

I looked it up on her website, and nowhere did it say she would end it immediately. Only BEGIN the withdrawl. It sure was intended to make her SOUND like she was going to end the war immediately, but...if you read the fine print....it isn't there!

That's one of my problems with Hillary. She wants to be all things to all people. She wants a gradual withdrawl, and a continued presence in Iraq and the region and this can be defended at least.

But...apparently....her campaign has glossed over the details to the point where some actually believe she is saying immediate withdrawal of US troops.

Read. The. Fine. Print.

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cuke

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Sun Nov-11-07 10:46 PM
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45. Athena

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earthlover

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Mon Nov-12-07 07:50 AM
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54. Well, then, maybe Hillary is Athena=Athena, the Greek goddess of wisdom, war, the arts, industr

Athena was the goddess of war, not the goddess of peace. It is starting to make sense now. Thanks for the help.

As to Hillary being a goddess of peace....she aint no goddess and there is not a war resolution she didn't vote in favor of.

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RaleighNCDUer

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Sun Nov-11-07 08:25 PM
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27. Goddess of Peace.

:banghead:

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bonito

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Sun Nov-11-07 08:32 PM
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28. Kicking for WIDER viewing.

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Rockholm

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Sun Nov-11-07 09:06 PM
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31. Yawn.

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Stop Cornyn

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Mon Nov-12-07 10:42 AM
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60. Why, Senator Clinton? Some Democrats want more seat-of-our-pants excitement instead of the landslide

we win by with Obama or Edwards at the top of the ticket.

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