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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 06:19 PM
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Impeachment! It CAN Happen!
Do you have any idea how desperate the corporate media
is to suppress
coverage of the growing impeachment movement?

One of the most riveting events to occur in Congress
in recent
history occurred last week, and not one of the major
so-called news
channels wanted you to know it had happened. An
incredible live
event, and they didn't even cover it. But they will,
finally, if only
more of us speak out now.

Cheney Impeachment Action Page:
http://www.usalone.com/hres333.php

Facebook Version:
http://apps.facebook.com/fb_voices/action.php?qnum=pnum709

On Nov. 6, 2007, Dennis Kucinich brought a privileged
resolution
calling for the impeachment of Vice President Cheney,
based on just a
couple of Cheney's constitutional high crimes. And for
two hours the
House of Representatives was tied up in knots trying
to figure out
how to try to shut him up.

In their contempt for the people, the Republicans
committed the
colossal tactical blunder of trying to mock the
momentous occasion.
When the Democratic so-called leadership tried to
table the Kucinich
resolution, as we expected them to do, the Republican
big shots
suddenly directed their underlings to change their
votes, to start
voting AGAINST the motion to table, thereby forcing
the very vote
Kucinich sought.

The entire House of Representatives was thrown into a
turmoil. It was
high drama as the motion to table suddenly was being
rejected
numerically, with Republican help. The scheduled 15
minute vote
extended into two hours, with nobody in a leadership
position knowing
how to deal with the crisis of one man standing up and
speaking the
truth. And did you hear about this incredible drama on
your cable TV.
No you did not.

Now the defeatists out there, and we know they are out
there, will
try to tell you that because the impeachment
resolution was
ultimately sent to the Judiciary Committee that
nothing more will
happen. That's like saying because the indictment was
given to a
judge and a prosecutor, that will be the end of it.
But whatever the
vain intent of certain so-called Congressional
leaders, the Judiciary
Committee is exactly where we want the resolution, for
that is where
the actual impeachment articles must emerge from.

Look at what's actually happening, and not what the
right wing
spinners are trying to tell you is happening.
Progressive talk
personalities are calling for action all over the
dial. They are
giving out toll free congressional phone numbers and
calling on their
listeners to now put real pressure on the Judiciary
Committee. This
is happening only because your voices forced the issue
in the first
place, by calling those shows and talking about
impeachment and the
necessity for it.

Look at what's actually happening. Members of the
House are being
forced to justify why they have not yet acted to
defend and protect
the Constitution. And their lame and pathetic excuses
are exposing
just how poorly represented the people of the United
States are. More
people are realizing that their voices do count, and
that Congress
has no answer to defend their failure to do their
sacred
constitutional duty.

It is only because of the impeachment movement that
attention is
being focused on Cheney's insane fixation on bombing
Iran and
starting the last World War of them all. It is only
your voices that
can stop the secret march to Armageddon, as they make
up new lies to
sucker the American people into yet another, and even
more
monumental, military debacle.

Yes, the heat is on the Judiciary Committee alright.
Their first
bleating reaction was to talk about how busy they were
putting
together a contempt citation for Mier and Bolton. This
is something
that should have happened instantly 6 months ago when
the subpoenas
were first defied, at the direction of the Cheney
White House, itself
an impeachable offense. Well, we'll just see if they
even do that in
the next two weeks.

Yes, the heat is on the Judiciary Committee, as more
and more people
all over the country raise their voices, some for the
perhaps the
first time. Join those voices now. Use the either of
the action pages
below to send your personal message to the Judiciary
Committee, Nancy
Pelosi and your own member of the House as well. Tell
them we will
not shut up. Tell them we will not go away. Tell them
they work for
us and not the other way around.

Cheney Impeachment Action Page:
http://www.usalone.com/hres333.php

Facebook Version:
http://apps.facebook.com/fb_voices/action.php?qnum=pnum709

What is actually happening is they have stupidly and
arrogantly given
the people hope. And hope is the most powerful enemy
the corrupters
of our democracy have. The only thing they have going
for them is
fear, and its two evil twins, defeatism and inaction.
The rule only
by fear . . . flooding our TVs with propaganda and
smug indifference
to the will of the people, masquerading as the news.

Tell them you are not afraid. Tell them you will no
longer be ruled
by fear. Speak out now to force the hand of the
Judiciary Committee,
and necessary truth of how our country has been
systematically
betrayed by imperial subversives in the White House
for the last 7
years will be heard and confronted, at last.

Please take action NOW, so we can win all victories
that are supposed
to be ours, and forward this alert as widely as
possible.

If you would like to get alerts like these, you can do
so at
http://www.usalone.com/in.htm

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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 06:29 PM
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1. Damn right it can happen. We just need more gutsy Dems like Dennis
Thanks for the post
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 06:37 PM
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2. You know, I was looking at that vote in the paper this morning
and trying to figure out what was going on.

Our two Democrats voted to table and our two Republicans voted to put it on the calendar. I understand some Democrats are afraid of it, but what's with those Repuglicans voting to have the debate? Was that a dare? Are they really so confident that the impeachment debate will hurt Democrats? Or were they just trying to keep it out of the Judiciary Committee?
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 06:38 PM
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3. This President only has 14 months left whats the point
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 06:40 PM
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4. The rule of law and the defense of the Constitution, to begin with. n/t
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 08:19 PM
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13. And if there was a hope in hell of it working I would support it
but they cannot do it because the democrats do not have enough votes to carry it out and the republicans wont allow him to be impeached, it is just that simple.
They should just drop it for now and go after him once he is out of office and treat him as the criminal that he is in my opinion rather than waste time and resources to kick him out.
OT a bit here but the entire impeachment process needs to have a major overhaul as the threat of it is just not working especially when the presidents own party has enough of the votes to stonewall the effort.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 08:33 PM
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14. You don't decide to uphold the rule of law or defend
the Constitution only when you think you can "win." It's the FIRST duty of Congress to do just that, and as a citizen and a voter, I'm going to hold them accountable for that. Allowing the Constitution, and the rule of law, to be trampled into insignificance because you think you can't win the fight is cowardly, and, in my mind, criminal.

There is no time limit, btw, on impeachment. It doesn't have to happen, or be completed, while the offender is still holding office.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 08:46 PM
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17. Ah, but don't forget a wise leader knows also
to fight what battles they can probably win and to withdraw and regroup when it is clear they can't.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 09:10 PM
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21. I don't see this one as unwinnable.
It's not about a blow job, a blue dress, or the definition of "is."

Giving Cheney a pass on the level of crime he committed, with the resulting loss of American lives, would be political suicide in the long run. Some would bolt from the pack on this one.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 07:27 PM
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8. Well ya see, we'd like to impeach the asshole just to piss you off. nt
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 08:51 PM
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19. to tie him up so he can't do more evil, and to restore voter confidence
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 06:55 PM
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5. I think our energies are better used focused on the upcoming GE
Then to trying to prove a point. The evil we know is better then the evil we don't.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 08:02 PM
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11. That's what we were told in 2006. How is that working out?-nt
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 07:20 PM
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6. So break any laws
and go unpunished because we have other things to do? So someday he'll have his day in court? But in the mean time what message does this send - for this day in court - when people felt other issues where more important during this time? For one thing. No one is above the law. But with no detterent what prevents future presidents from breaking the law - when they so choose? Congress can't get anything passed with all the veto's happening. Does anyone really expect something of importance to be accomplished? And I'm not talking about them throwing us something of little importance.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 08:42 PM
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16. Did the majority of voters elect democrats to impeach the president?
No, they elected them because the republicans screwed up and they were hoping for some change in direction.
You can argue for impeachment till you are blue in the face (like I did until this past year roughly) or you can focus on getting a good president during this upcoming election as well as trying to contain any further damage this current president might try to cause the country.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 08:54 PM
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20. I'm afraid the only sure way
to try to contain any more damage is to push Congress to impeach, starting with Cheney. I fear what these pigs might do! look at what they have already done. The more I look into their machinations the more I see how they are on the verge of swiping our Constitutional rights clean away! It's not enough to just promote the candidate I think is furthest from their puppet strings.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 07:22 PM
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7. The problem with the idea that we need to focus on the election instead of impeachment...
Edited on Sun Nov-11-07 07:26 PM by polichick
...is that fewer people are going to vote for a party that lets the opposition walk all over them ~ political muscle matters in this country; it's perceived as strength and makes people feel safer.
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 07:40 PM
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9. I wish I could kick this more than once
Thanx babsbunny!! This is soo important to hear right now!!
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 08:34 PM
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15. You can.
Every time you post a response, it's kicked. :D
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 08:47 PM
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18. Great!
I just kicked it again!
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 07:48 PM
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10. Impeachment is top priority
for too many reasons! We have to make sure congress stands up for our constitutional rights. This administration has so many triggers lined up to take our rights away and declare martial law if they so plan, and the possibility is in their plans, you can bet on it! There is the strong possibility that we won't be having elections next year! We MUST IMPEACH, beginning with Cheney!!!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 08:13 PM
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12. I really think the senate speechs @ the Mukasey vote was a practice run for Impeachment, and I
must say, we have some very impressive Senators to make the case. Feingold, Kennedy, Leahy, Whitehouse, Byrd all gave exceptional speechs. If you missed it, I highly recommend searching it out.
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