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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 10:37 PM
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Edwards refuses to promise to support Democratic nominee (if he doesn't win)
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/12/a-not-so-perfect-picture-of-party-unity/

So how is John Edwards feeling about Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York these days? So bad, apparently, that in an interview last week he twice refused to say whether he would endorse her should she win the Democratic presidential nomination.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 10:39 PM
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1. If he did say that, he's just being the typical guy.
Bitterness.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 10:41 PM
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2. That really concerns me, will he then go to a third party ticket or
....go over to the dark side or just go away?
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 10:42 PM
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3. This does not sound right, haven't they all agreed to
support the nominee?
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Leftisalwaysright Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 10:44 PM
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4. It'll Change...
He won't stay bitter forever and will endorse Hillary in time.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 10:46 PM
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5. You are quoting a blog, not Edwards!
How low can you people sink?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 10:48 PM
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6. The New York Times quoted him.
Between campaign appearances last week, as he rode through eastern Iowa in his campaign van, Mr. Edwards declined to answer whether he would support Mrs. Clinton.

“I’m not willing to talk about that at this point,” he said, waiting silently until the next question was asked.


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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 10:54 PM
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7. That is very different that refusing to endorse someone. nt
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 03:28 PM
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43. Exactly---the OP is intentionally misleading nt
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 10:54 PM
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8. Why am I not surprised. This guy is phonier than a 6 dollar bill
What a disloyal loser. He could have at least responded by saying that he doesn't plan on losing and left it at that. But no, he had to sink so low as to imply he might not support the Party if he loses. How snobby is that?
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 10:57 PM
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9. Don't buy the BS check things out.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 12:17 AM
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22. Since that's NOT what he said...
And so far as I know, not a single primary vote has been cast and we don't KNOW who the Democratic candidate is yet.
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tired_old_fireman Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 12:19 AM
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23. What are you talking about?
He didn't answer the question. He never implied he wouldn't support the party.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:12 AM
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37. I'm not surprised you didn't read what he actually said.
And NO candidate should answer this question because it makes them sound like they would be accepting defeat before the fact.It's a bullshit question.

I know you hate the guy, but be fair about it and read his actual words before posting the name filled diatribes.It doesn't make you look too good when you end up responding to words that were never spoken. :shrug:
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:36 AM
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38. I read what he said and I think he's still wrong for his reply
The question posed to him was simply a speculative one, so Edwards did not have to admit defeat. Like I said earlier, he could've either told the reporter he didn't plan on losing or he could've said he would support whoever the Democratic candidate would be. Edwards, not surprisingly, did neither, a true show of selfishness whether you want to admit it or not.

BTW, I don't hate the guy, so you're wrong on that account, although he does make me squirm everytime he opens his mouth and I would hate it if he got the nod because I doubt he would stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning the general election. IMO, he's the only one of our top 5 candidates who would definitely lose in 2008 to a Republican.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:52 AM
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39. If you don't hate him my honest apologies.
I don't think he'd lose in the GE (I'm more worried about Hillary than him, and I don't think Gravel and DK can win either, though it's not impossible).
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 10:58 PM
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10. Here's what he actually said:
Edited on Mon Nov-12-07 11:00 PM by JeffR
“I’m not willing to talk about that at this point,” he said, waiting silently until the next question was asked.

_________

I'm not too enamored of that response, either, but it's a far cry from "refuses to promise".

on edit: I don't think it's really very revealing of anything. It's obviously intended to be a little portentous tidbit, but I don't find it very resonant.

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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 11:01 PM
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12. Why didn't he just answer the question????? Yes or No, John.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 11:06 PM
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15. You're right. He should have.
I'll be interested in hearing the campaign's response to this once it bounces around the web for a while.

It just seems the guy's heart is not quite in this campaign. He's getting short shrift from the MSM, predictably, but he seems a little reticent much of the time in interviews and debates.

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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 09:03 AM
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34. Well, we know he'll come out and "sincerely" apologize and
change his mind - just like he's done with every other position he's made.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 12:20 AM
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24. Because THEN they will frame it: Edwards admits defeat. That's why.
Stop being so perfectly disingenuous.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 05:49 AM
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28. Politicians often refuse to answer "what if you lose?" type questions.
The blame for that lies largely with the electorate, who are less likely to support someone who appears to be considering the possibility of defeat than someone who claims they are invincible.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 10:59 PM
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11. Big deal. He didn't feel like talking about what-if-he-loses.
Not a very pleasant topic for a candidate in the middle of a race.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 11:03 PM
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13. Of course it's not appropriate to talk about at this moment...
...Hillary would probably say the same thing if she were asked that REALLY DUMB question.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 11:05 PM
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14. Yet another fake attack.
I smell fear.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 11:07 PM
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16. Welcome to Politics 101. Lesson #1: You're the winner until you concede.
Here endeth the lesson.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 11:19 PM
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17. That answer is a bit lacking in graciousness. Party comes before self.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:54 AM
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32. Yes, the party should always comes before self, but I guess Pouty feels that he's an exception. nt
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nancyharris Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 11:37 PM
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18. His response is not too surprising
Edited on Mon Nov-12-07 11:38 PM by nancyharris
Senator Edward's ideas of governance are quite far removed from Senator Clinton's. In that respect Mayor Giuliani is closer to Senator Clinton than Senator Edwards - certainly in the areas of foreign policy and trade.
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 11:53 PM
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20. I ruled out Edwards a coupe of months ago
when he turned negitive. If they can't win on their policies and ideas and have to attack other candidates then I don't want them. If Clinton or Richardson turned on another Dem I'd drop them too. I think at this point Richardson is my first choice.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 11:42 PM
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19. More from the proud 11%.
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 02:24 AM
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27. He's not polling quite that low, is he? nt
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tired_old_fireman Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 12:17 AM
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21. What a load of b.s.
There hasn't been a single vote cast in the primary. Why should he answer hypothetical questions about losing? Anyone who would hold this against Edwards either has never competed in anything in their life or is just looking for a reason to be outraged at him.

Of course he will support the nominee.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 01:19 AM
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25. What a dumb question.No candidate in the midst of a campaign would answer that question.
That being said, I also wouldn't endorse her if she wins. She doesn't represent Democratic Principles to me. I will not endorse anyone who has supported outsourcing and supports Kyl/ Lieberman as well as the Peru trade agreement.And my Democratic credentials are as good as anyone's.Just the fact that you don't endorse someone doesn't mean you don't support the Democratic Party, or won't vote for the nominee.I will try to vote for the nominee but if it should be Hillary, I will not endorse her or contribute to her campaign either financially or with effort. I do not approve of what she represents.I will never support a corporate sellout who has the blessings of Rupert Murdoch and Mark Penn.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 01:24 AM
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26. This is absurd
no candidate in their right mind addresses a hypothetical about them LOSING, it sounds defeatist. He answered the question totally appropriately.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:48 AM
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30. What you said...
nt
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:50 AM
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31. Totally agree! n/t
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:18 AM
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29. So do I.
Your thread title is misleading. He didn't refuse to promise to support the Democratic nominee. He refused to promise to support HRC.

I refuse to promise anything at all about my general election vote a year in advance.

As a matter of fact, I refuse to promise anything at all about that vote at any time.

It is, after all, my vote, and my choice. I don't "owe" it to ANYONE.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 09:00 AM
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33. Stupid answer to a stupid question.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 09:51 AM
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35. I use to like him
when he first started running, which seems like about 20 years ago.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:06 AM
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36. What a complete asshat...
The guy is a two faced hypocrite, that talks out of both sides of his mouth....

I have always said I will back the Democratic nominee no matter who it is...

I am revising that...if John Edwards is the nominee I will not commit to voting for him...
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 12:19 PM
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40. Yeah but it is perfectly okay for you and others to "demand" that Hillary be shoved down our throat
Edited on Tue Nov-13-07 12:20 PM by saracat
It has been repeatedly stated that we have an obligation to vote for the nominee but I see one can make an exception for Edwards based on what he did NOT say.An refusal to discuss "endorsement " is NOT the same as a refusal to vote for a nominee! This post is the height of hypocrisy.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 03:21 PM
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41. It seems that, after all, he would support the democratic nominee...
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 03:23 PM
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42. You fail to understand the intention behind the question
Edited on Tue Nov-13-07 03:26 PM by goodgd_yall
The question was nothing about "promising" and it was not a question about supporting the Democratic nominee---only about supporting Clinton. It was a not an honest question and Edwards was right to respond as he did.
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