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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 02:19 PM
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Clinton surrogate attacks Obama using Russert's misleading interview.
Excerpt:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/11/14/466224.aspx

Clinton supporter Rep. Jim McGovern (D) writes at Huffington Post: "Senator Obama has been trying to use his early opposition to the 2002 authorization to use military force as a way to bring attention to his campaign. And that's fine -- that's politics. I have great respect and admiration for Senator Obama. But he should be more careful, because his record doesn't always line up with his rhetoric.

"That became clear when Sen. Obama appeared on Meet the Press last Sunday, Tim Russert reminded him of comments he made about Iraq during the 2004 Democratic National Convention. Talking about how he would have voted on the '02 authorization, Mr. Russert flashed a quote from then-State Senator Obama on the screen that said: 'I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don't know.' In response, Senator Obama said it was probably the wrong time for him to speak out on the war.


This was summarily drop-kicked by Media Matters:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200711110004

Russert misleadingly cropped Obama comment to claim he wasn't "firmly wedded against the war"

Summary: Interviewing Barack Obama on Meet the Press, Tim Russert read a quote he attributed to Obama to suggest that he has "not been a leader against the war": "In July of 2004, Barack Obama: 'I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports. ... What would I have done? I don't know,' in terms of how you would have voted on the war."

Russert did not quote the very next sentence of Obama's statement, which was, "What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made" for authorizing the war.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 02:32 PM
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1. Live by Russert die by Russert...
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 02:36 PM by SaveElmer
Misleading comments and assertions by Russert didn't bother Obama when he was using Russerts misleading assertions to attack Hillary on the Records issue...
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 02:37 PM
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2. I think Obama had a good point on that.
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 02:40 PM by AtomicKitten
If Hillary is using the WH years as part of the experience she touts, then voters are entitled to get a glimpse of the record of that experience. I think the other contenders agree.

And using Obama's clipped quotes to attack him, something that had already been called out by Media Matters, was pretty disingenuous.

And I have every confidence we disagree on this.

On edit: Anticipating your next barb, there's this: http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/11/obama_did_not_want_his_poems_s_1.html
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 02:51 PM
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3. Except of course...
Hillary has no control over those records...they are controlled by law by the National Archives...by law...

Even factcheck.org had to eat crow on this...so where is Obama's acknowledgement that he is wrong?


Correction, Nov. 8: In our original version of this story, we found Clinton’s response regarding the Archives to be “doubly misleading.” We have since concluded that we were wrong, and have rewritten the section as you see it above.
Two days after this article was first posted, Bruce Lindsey, who is Bill Clinton’s designated representative for dealing with the National Archives, issued a statement that said, in part, “Contrary to recent reports, Bill Clinton has not asked that records related to communications with Senator Clinton be withheld.” It also said that “Currently, none of the FOIA requests has processed and provided for my review involve Senator Clinton. On the same day, the former president responded to a reporter’s question about the issue. Hillary Clinton “was incidental to the letter, it was done five years ago, it was a letter to speed up presidential releases, not to slow them down,” Bill Clinton said at a stop in Redmond, WA.
These statements prompted us to dive back into Bill Clinton’s 2002 letter to the Archives and similar letters from his two immediate predecessors, and to talk to some more experts in this small crevice of the law. We realized that the area of confusion for us – and perhaps for other journalists – was the wording of this sentence: “nformation should generally be considered for withholding only if it contains…..” The section goes on to list eight categories, one of which involves his communications with his wife as well as with his family and his wife’s.
We originally read the sentence as putting a lock on the documents. That isn’t the case, as we note in our revised section in the body of the article above. The bottleneck is at the lightly staffed Archives. It of course remains possible that Bill Clinton could yet block the release of any or all communications between himself and the First Lady, but that hasn’t happened yet It remains to be seen whether any of this material will surface before the election.
But Russert was wrong, and so were we Bill Clinton, in Redmond, called Russert’s question “breathtakingly misleading,” and we now agree. Russert did not respond to requests for comment.




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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 03:09 PM
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4. It's unfortunate Hillary didn't articulate her position on this better.
If anyone is responsible for the mischaracterization of this, I think it is Hillary by her poor response during the debate. Perhaps she wasn't prepared, but it appears she herself is largely if not wholly responsible for creating the impression.

Obama on the other hand was the victim of a drive-by clipped quote attack by Russert, and I still think that using that misinformation with the Media Matters rebuttal out there was pretty disingenuous.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 03:10 PM
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5. Obama is smart enough to know he was lying about the issue...
Particularly after it was pointed out to him...

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 03:13 PM
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7. Lying?
It's unfortunate that you ruined yet another fairly civilized conversation with name-calling. I'm not going to go there.

But I hope you remember this conversation the next time you complain that people are being mean to Hillary.

Gobama.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 03:22 PM
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10. If Obama knows the assertion he is making is not true...
And makes it anyway...it is lying...

In any case he gets no sympathy in this quarter for attacks on him by Russert...he hasn't earned it
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 03:11 PM
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6. I wish dur's would stop doing the same thing, its not only misleading its out and out lying
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 03:15 PM
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8. Hillary must be getting desperate. What happened to her politics of not attacking her opponents
and sticking to attacking the Repubs.? :shrug:
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 03:20 PM
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9. What happened to Obama's "politics of hope"?
All that's left is me hoping he won't try to "convert" me if he's elected.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 03:36 PM
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11. Nothing. He's still running on that. Pointing out differences isn't abandoning
the politics of hope. Good try.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 03:39 PM
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12. This is an attack on Obama's strength.
(see my sig line)

This line of attack is Rove 101 - going after an opponent's strength. We have seen people turn themselves inside-out here at DU to try to marginalize Obama on the issue of war, but it is for naught. He has the high ground on this.

I just have a problem with a campaign riding on the "clipped quotes express" to attack an opponent when Media Matters called bullshit on it from the get-go.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 03:42 PM
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13. Yup. It sure is...
and Obama should come out and show the rest of the quote so people don't take the "girl's" word for it.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 03:43 PM
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14. Bill Clinton used to same distortion as Russert...
K&R!

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 03:46 PM
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15. hey - thanks for bringing this info to us initially
I have linked to your OP on several occasions because it is important to set the record straight.

It's almost Obama time here in SF .... :hi:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 03:51 PM
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16. You're going to have a...
...Great time!

:thumbsup:

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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:05 PM
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17. First of all...I think Mark Murray needs to lookup the meaning for the word surrogate
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 04:10 PM by wlucinda
I don't like the characterization of Rep. McGovern being a "surrogate" with his posted blog endorsement of Hillary. He's stating his views, not regurgitating campaign press releases.

Oh and, Russert is an ass.
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