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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 03:49 PM
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Some were on to Edwards pseudo-populist schtick 4 years ago...
No wonder Edwards wants everyone to forget what he said or did before this year...


A Populist Make-over

Meet John Edwards, the corporate man
By Doug Ireland
Wednesday, January 28, 2004 - 11:00 pm

John Edwards has the best smile, the best hair and the most effective populist discourse of all the Democrats who want to be president. His endlessly repeated “Two Americas” stump speech — flaying the haves for fleecing the have-nots — has been carefully honed over months on the campaign trail. It won him second place in Iowa. But it takes more than one speech to give a contender real staying power — as the cash-strapped Edwards discovered when, by an eyelash, he lost the third-place ticket out of New Hampshire to a treasury-rich general with a weightier résumé.

But what’s under the hair and behind the smile?

...

“The Edwardses were solidly middle class” when Johnny was growing up, according to a four-part profile of the North Carolina senator in his home state’s most prestigious daily, the Raleigh News and Observer. It’s true that for a few years as a young man Edwards’ father worked on the floor of a Roger Milliken textile mill. But Edwards père (a lifelong Republican, like his reactionary boss) quickly climbed upward, becoming a monitor of worker productivity as a “time-study” man — which any labor organizer in the South will tell you is a polite term for a stoolie who spies on the proletarian mill hands to get them to speed up production for the same low wages. Daddy Edwards’ grassing got him promoted to supervisor, then to plant manager — and he finally resigned to start his own business as a consultant to the textile industry. As a Boston Globe profile of Edwards put it last year, the senator never “notes that his father was part of management . . . ‘John was more middle class than most of us,’” says Bill Garner, a high school friend and college roommate.

Edwards’ legislative record — what little there is of it — is hardly populist. In fact, Edwards is a classic, corporate-friendly, centrist New Democrat. In his five years as a freshman senator, Edwards on his own produced little legislation, much less than some other first-termers — although he was assigned by Tom Daschle to represent the Democrats in negotiations over a patients’ bill of rights, and so can boast he was a co-sponsor of the final, but aborted, bill.

...


If there was real depth to Edwards’ rhetorical populism, one would expect to find it in “Real Solutions for America.” That’s the 60-page campaign booklet that Edwards refers to in his stump speech. But when one checks out these “real solutions” (available on his Web site), one finds a lot of nice-sounding hot air, some innocuous small-bore proposals — and few specific details. On a number of important matters — example: federal corporate welfare — the “solutions” Edwards’ speeches describe as “bold” involve . . . appointing a commission.

Sometimes, the pamphlet contradicts Edwards’ reality. Example: “Some tax lawyers make millions through flimsy letters telling clients how to shelter their income. Edwards will stop these abuses,” it claims. But in 1995, Edwards — already a multimillionaire — set up a professional corporation to shelter at least $10 million in legal earnings from having to pay Medicare taxes on them, saving himself some $290,000, according to the News and Observer, which quoted a top specialist from the American Institute of CPAs as labeling this trick “gaming the system.” Populist hypocrisy?

...


http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/a-populist-make-over/2034/

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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 03:52 PM
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1. Hypocrisy and Edwards
like peas in a pod
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:00 PM
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2. I swear....the only
candidate that has a soul is Kucinich.
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Bo Bike Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:09 PM
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3. And the only one that has seen a UFO.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:15 PM
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7. You're wrong.
The only candidate who will ADMIT having seen a UFO. :P
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:33 PM
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19. How long has he been pro-choice?
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 05:33 PM by Bleachers7
You better ask his soul.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:16 PM
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32. So I take it you're an
Edwards fan. Are you old enough to vote?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 09:43 AM
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45. Actually no.
I don't support any candidate right now. I'm undecided. Now tell me if my original comment is incorrect.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:27 PM
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35. Yeah, that 100% pro-life rating a few short years ago
sure makes me all warm and fuzzy.
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Bo Bike Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:11 PM
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4. Edwards. What a phony baloney.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 10:24 PM
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46. As far as I can tell, Doug Ireland just doesn't support any Democrats but spends his time attacking
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:11 PM
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5. I was! I was!
:hi:
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:07 PM
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39. It never seemed
that difficult to ascertain to me. :)
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:15 PM
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6. Oh the Hillary supporters are on the attack again.
How surprising.

Yawn. Whats new?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:17 PM
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8. Care to comment on the facts as laid out in this article?...nt
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:25 PM
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11. The way you dodge any criticism of Hillary? Sure.
It's an attack piece. Welcome to politics.

There, I commented.

You Hillary supporters are getting awful bitter in your attacks against Edwards.

Why? Because his strategy is WORKING!
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:26 PM
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13. Ahhh...the last refuge of the losing campaign...
Claim those pointing out the hypocrisy of their candidate are actually "sceered" of them...

Whatever helps you sleep...
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:24 PM
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10. Each candidate and their supporters have had rough weeks.
Obama got killed for McClurkin.

Hillary has had it rough since the debates and some gaffes.

This week Edwards is on the receiving end.



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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:20 PM
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9. ...
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:25 PM
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12. I have no problem believing that he has changed and would try and
implement what he's talking about. I've been through life changing tragedy, and it can truly remake a person.

However, in my view, any candidate that cannot make their case without deliberately mis-interpreting an opponents views, shows me a candidate that cannot lead without deception. That's where he loses me.





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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:05 PM
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15. Edwards seems to have "changed his mind"
About virtually every issue...


If it were Hillary flip flopping with this much regularity it would be a blood bath around here...
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:30 PM
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18. I cannot argue with ya there. She'd be crucified. Again.
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 05:31 PM by wlucinda
And Edwards has changed a lot.
Again, that's something I can understand. I think the experiences on the campaign trail last time, plus his personal life circumstances, provided a reality check for him.

His choice of tactics though, have zeroed him out with me.

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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:26 PM
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14. That does it! I'm voting for Clinton.
:P
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:13 PM
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16. This is so old --it is green with mold.
I do not have a candidate but when it comes to hypocrisy
no one should throw stones.

I can give a litany on each.

Buying these old talking points on Edwards--is just
baffling.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:23 PM
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17. 3 years is not old except for with perishables.......
If we can use Bush's DUIs or His military AWOL, or Kerry was able to highlight his 35 year old service history to qualify as having National security experience.......than I am equally baffled as to what can now pass as ancient history around here.

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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:49 PM
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21. He was born again
You know, like the born again virgins?

Nothing you did before is open for discussion, praise Jesus, he is born again!

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Broke Dad Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:52 PM
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22. RE: Let me invoke Ted Kennedy and FDR . . .
The essence of this attack is that Edwards isn't "poor" enough to be a populist or to advocate for the middle class.

Ted Kennedy was never poor. FDR was never poor. Both advocate(d) for the working and middle class. In fact, Mother Teresa came from a privileged background. The point is that wealthy people can and do change society and public policy to benefit the working class.

John Edwards is calling out the DLC types NOW, including your "girl." It doesn't matter to me if he didn't call them out in 2004 or in 1999. He is doing it NOW. The whole Hillary manure spreader organization (that's a piece of equipment used mostly on farms) is spreading it on thick to cover her Rose Law Firm tracks and fat cat big pharmo, big agribusiness, big scum donor base.

Some people evolve for the better. Change is a positive thing. Your girl has demonstrated since 1992 that she is the same top down big money escort.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:54 PM
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23. No, the essence of the attack is...
John Edwards made sure every man, woman and child in America knew he was "the son of a mill worker", like he came out of the coal mines or some such bullshit.

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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:55 PM
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24. AND
He cared so much about the "poor" he never took a pro bono case in his life.
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NobleCynic Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:13 PM
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30. According to the NYTimes, that is incorrect
"But Mr. Edwards handled no notable pro bono cases, the typical vehicle for lawyers who want to have a larger impact." (Emphasis added)


Amazing how much the omission of a single word can change an article's meaning. That meme was started when this NYTimes article was misquoted, and it has been bouncing around since.

<http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/14/politics/campaign/14career.html?ex=1247544000&en=870846aae154e1d1&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland>
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:14 PM
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31. He has never, ever denied it
All he claimed in response was he took "contingency cases" which are NOT considered pro bono.

Let him tell us which pro bono cases he took, he has had years.

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NobleCynic Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:17 PM
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41. On further reading
You're right. I cannot find a single instance of John Edwards denying it. I can't say if that is as good as evidence, but it can't be viewed in a positive light. But at the same time, the only hard source I can find online regarding the matter is said NYTimes article.

Regardless, while contingency cases aren't pro bono, they serve the same purpose. The provide access to the legal system to those without money. Not as noble, as Edwards would have been paid when he won, but functionally the same.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 06:20 PM
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26. Kennedy never said he was poor
I'm too young to remember FDR but I don't think he ever said he was poor either. Edwards is a phony.

Edwards lies left and right now. This is just one more example of how dishonest he is. Once I realized how phony Edwards is, I saw his claims that everything he's doing is for his dead son in a new light. Edwards is a sick sick man.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 06:23 PM
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27. He didn't call out the DLC in 99 or 2004 because he WAS DLC.
Even though he had his wife claim he was never part of the DLC.

Yet ANOTHER example of Edwards pretending the inconvenient parts of his past never happened.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 06:32 PM
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28. The only girl I have calls me mommy!
and currently I am leaning very much towards Obama.....because of his instinctual good judgment on the very important issue of war and peace.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:44 PM
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20. If you're wondering....
...where the articles are, that reveal Hillary isn't really the "populist"
she claims to be---they don't exist. She doesn't even fake her corporate
loyalties, her propagation of war and her silence on the destruction of
our democracy.

Other articles about Hillary that you'll never see:

--"Let's End The Warmongering Now!"

--"Hillary Says It Again, 'Our Constitution is in Trouble!'"

--"Her Scandal-Free Life, So Far."

--"Hillary's Mad and She's Not Gonna Take the Corruption Anymore!"

--"Her Story: A Courageous Battle Against Illegal Wiretapping!"

--"Hillary's Journey: The Long and Treacherous Road to Reinstating Habeas Corpus."

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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:56 PM
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25. I was onto him from the start-nt
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 06:41 PM
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29. Edwards said from day one his dad was in management
You should know what you post. The first lie comes very soon in the article, however the one I noticed and want to discuss, is the fact that young Edwards said his dad was in management in the plant, a supervisor, I think, that is lower level management in a textile plant
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:52 PM
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33. Edwards makes sure to call himself the Son of a Mill Worker.....
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 07:55 PM by FrenchieCat

He introduced his mother and father — Wallace and Bobbie Edwards — to underscore his argument that as the son of a mill worker he understands union issues best among the candidates.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iq7b7Abnxla6a3NamBPUcID9KzYgD8STL2Q02

That article is from today. John Edwards has never called himself the Son of a Mill Supervisor or of a Mill Manager...which is why he is known as SOMW. :shrug:


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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:00 PM
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34. if you're employed at the mill... you work at the mill... hence a mill worker
was his dad the owner of the mill? jaysus you guys dig deep, and it looks bad.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:41 PM
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36. blah, blah, blah
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:46 PM
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37. Thanks for the kick...
Anything in there you believe to be false?
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Clanfear Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:51 PM
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38. Edwards does not walk his talk.
One can make a lot of money. That I do not care about so much. It is one when pretends to be a populist then turns around and escapes paying into the system. While legal, it is not morally coherent to his message.
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:16 PM
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40. Well, I have been trying to be objective this time.
I got into politics because of General Clark. I really didn't know to much about any of the other candidates. My first real impression of John Edwards came in the 2004 primaries. It was pretty neck n neck there for a while. It was frustrating cause Wes Clark was just to nice. John Edwards campaign strategy against the General was rather vicious though. They hired a repub General(Shelton??) to basically smear Clark record. Then they held their primary parties at Serbian Halls. There are those in the Serbian community that are pro-Milosivic and consider Clark a war criminal. It seemed the Edwards' campaign was trying to fan those flames(war criminal). It was right at the time the General was also going to be testifying at the Hague against Milosivic so I thought it was really low reaching. Like I said, I have been trying to be objective this time about all of them but truth be told it doesn't matter. By the time I get to vote in my primary it will be a fore gone conclusion. Just like last time.
So far though, I would have to say that John Edwards is very driven to be President. Which since he has been doing it for so long has him adjusting his positions. He really has gone from one extreme to another. The Iraq war, the patriot act, right to chose. Has he wavered yet on same sex marriage? Never mind, that's what Elizabeth is for. Gosh, OK, I'm getting snarky. Not being very objective am I. It's just hard when I start to think about it. :mad:





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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 05:05 AM
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42. More yammering bullshit from the usual suspects...
Color me unimpressed.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 05:15 AM
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43. People can change over time as they see the ills of the world and try to make it better. Thanks John
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 08:37 AM
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44. "a lot of nice-sounding hot air" That's the Edwards campaign in a nutshell!
:rofl:
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