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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:37 PM
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FactCheck.org: Edwards' Empty Threat

Summary

John Edwards' new ad says that when he's in the Oval Office, he'll tell Congress to act within six months to make sure all Americans have health insurance or "I'm going to use my power as president to take your health care away from you."

First he's going to have to throw out the Constitution, though. No president has the power to strip lawmakers and Cabinet members of their health coverage. Health insurance is a benefit granted to federal employees (including members of Congress) by law, not by executive fiat, as we've said before.

Analysis

Though Edwards is an attorney he could stand a little remedial reading on the separation of powers. His ad, which features him speaking at a campaign event, began running Nov. 13 in Iowa.

Presidential Dreaming

In this ad, Edwards says that he's going to tell Congress to pass a universal health care measure within six months of his taking office. If it doesn't happen, he says, "I'm going to use my power as president to take your health care away from you ."


John Edwards '08: "Health Care"

Edwards: When I'm president, I'm going to say to members of Congress and members of my administration, including my Cabinet, "I'm glad that you have health care coverage and that your family has health care coverage. But if you don't pass universal health care by July 2009 - six months - I'm going to use my power as president to take your health care away from you."

Edwards: There's no excuse for politicians in Washington having health care when you don't have health care.

I'm John Edwards and I approve this message.


Well, that would take some doing. Presidents can't just negate federal laws at will, and it's under law that members of Congress, cabinet members, and other government employees get health insurance. They're all covered through the Federal Employees Health Benefits program, which is a good menu of plans, but not the gold-plated health coverage that some may believe Congress gets. As former Rep. Martin Frost, recently explained, "During the 26 years I served in Congress, I always signed up for one of the Blue Cross plans that had both deductibles and co-pays."

Edwards made the same threat during a Democratic debate in New Hampshire in September, and we jabbed him for it then. But he's been repeating it on the stump, and indeed this ad appears to have been filmed at a campaign appearance.

All Edwards could do as president is to push Congress to legislate away its own health-care coverage. And in fact, that's as far as he goes when stating his position on his Web site.


http://www.factcheck.org/edwards_empty_threat.html

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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:39 PM
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1. The Edwards campaign has clarified their position.
They now say that they will be asking Congress to pass the law.

Of course that makes his commercial less than truthful.

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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:41 PM
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Wonder if he will pull the ad...
Or just forget his clarification...
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:50 PM
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5. He ALWAYS has to "clarify" his position.
This gets old.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:04 PM
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9. As does Hillary
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 05:04 PM by tekisui
And Obama and Richardson.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:13 PM
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11. Only Edwards produces "Politics of Parsing" attack ads. n/t
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:07 PM
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10. Aint that the truth
Doesn't he ever anticipate the ramifications of anything he says or does?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:57 PM
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7. Yes, and he WILL have the power of the Bully pulpit and make life miserable for them
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:41 PM
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2. In his defense, candidates always make promises that they don't have the power to enact alone.
It's just campaign talk.
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:46 PM
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4. Yeah, but there's a difference between
"I will increase fuel milage by 20%" and "I will use my power as President to take away Congress' health care." The first conveniently avoids the fact that you'd have to get Congress on board, while the second is a declaration that you will do so whether Congress likes it or not.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:58 PM
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8. Ok, I'll buy that.
There's a distinction, of course, between saying "I'll work with Congress to..." or "I'll request that Congress do..." and saying "I'll bypass Congress to do what I want".

His intentions on the issue seem good; perhaps, it's his approach that needs some work.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:41 PM
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3. And I've commented before that threats and ultimatums are not the best way
to garner support. Just an aside that in addition to his misunderstanding about what he could and could not accomplish, I'd much prefer a President who works WITH the congress and senate, not who treats them as children.
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hijinx87 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:55 PM
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6. "push Congress to legislate away its own health-care coverage"?

I would think it would be MUCH easier to push congress to simply pass
health care reform in the first place. (and only slightly harder to
push congress to pass a pay cut, term limits, or to shoot themselves
in the head)

I don't understand the point of all this indirection.

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