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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 12:13 PM
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Mrs. Clinton’s ties to wealthy Indian businesspeople had made her favor outsourcing.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/04/business/worldbusiness/04outsource.html?pagewanted=2&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/People/C/Clinton,%20Hillary%20Rodham&_r=1

"In the heat of the 2004 presidential race in the United States, John Kerry compared outsourcing to treason, Lou Dobbs harangued against it on CNN and the Indian outsourcing vendors were left scrambling."

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"Many Indian executives consider Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, Democrat of New York, more sympathetic to their industry, but they are concerned that she will be compelled to match the others’ statements in a tight contest."

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"In an internal memo leaked in June, staff members from the Obama campaign contended that Mrs. Clinton’s ties to wealthy Indian businesspeople had made her favor outsourcing.

The memo cited the Clintons’ ties to Vinod Gupta, an Indian entrepreneur who founded InfoUSA, one of the United States’ largest brokers of information on consumers.

Mr. Gupta, a major fund-raiser and benefactor for the Clintons who was nominated for ambassadorships by President Bill Clinton, was detailed in the Obama memo because his company outsources to India and he has vocally supported the practice."
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 12:17 PM
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1. HRC, outsourcing, and h1-b visas -- watch these videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhLBSLLIhUs
Hillary pushes for more h1-b visas and outsourcing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLNOSGM2jK4
Lou Dobbs: Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy (part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgdrh2Bc95M
Lou Dobbs: Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy (part 2)
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 12:44 PM
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9. Citing Lou Dobbs is as bad as citing Karl Rove

The sad fact that some people on DU chose to follow an openly rascist nut and serial liar does not make Dobbs a legitimate source for anything.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 12:47 PM
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10. Did you even watch the videos to see what was on them? n/t
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 12:50 PM
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11. Ask these guys what they think about outsourcing and h1-b's and whether they agree with Dobbs
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 12:50 PM
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12. and these guys....
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 12:52 PM
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13. and this guy...
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:26 PM
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17. Thank you for posting those.
:kick:
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 12:18 PM
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2. Now now, we can't have you dabbling in any "facts" regarding the alleged frontrunner>
Facts are inconvienent and may blur the campaign!:sarcasm:
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 12:18 PM
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3. Been disavowed.
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 12:19 PM by Evergreen Emerald
June 18, 2007, 4:42 pm
Obama Calls His Clinton Document ‘Screw-Up’
By Jeff Zeleny

Senator Barack Obama disavowed the document his campaign aimed at Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton last week, saying today that it was “stupid and caustic.”

In an appearance before The Des Moines Register’s editorial board, Mr. Obama made his first public comments about the flap over a document that sharply criticized Mrs. Clinton and highlighted the various ways the Clintons have benefited from receiving support from Indian-Americans and companies that do business in India.

“It was a screw-up on the part of our research team,” said Mr. Obama, an Illinois Democrat. “It wasn’t anything I had seen or my senior staff had seen.”


The headline of one of the documents, which referred to Mrs. Clinton as “D-Punjab,” touched off a furor among Indian-American groups that called on Mr. Obama to apologize for the remarks.
“I thought it was stupid and caustic and not only didn’t reflect my view of the complicated issue of outsourcing,” Mr. Obama said, adding: “it also didn’t reflect the fact that I have longstanding support and friendships within the Indian-American community.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/06/18/obama-calls-his-clinton-document-screw-up/
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hijinx87 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 12:29 PM
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5. if he can't control his own campaign workers

how the hell can we expect him to control the executive branch
of the federal government?

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 12:38 PM
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8. She did accept an increase to 400000 from current 280000 after rejecting unlimited and then 600000
Hb1 visa limiys that Bush had proposed -

and I think she was wrong to do even go as high as 400000 as India is taking our entry level jobs and using them to train their workforce - as we graduate 450,000 science math engineering kids of which only 150000 will find jobs in their fields. The bill did make an attempt to bring back the idea of H1b visa granted only if no American can be found for job - perhaps that is why it did not pass?

Gates is as ass when he called for increases in H1b's beyond the 400,000 in the proposed bill.

She does have the history of speaking in favor of Tata opening its Buffalo office to service IBM outsourcing when Tata said it was going to bring 50 jobs to the area - and failed to say they would all be filled with folks from India (2 Americans work in that office).

Outsourcing to get the best and brightest makes sense - outsourcing entry level jobs to save a few dollars is cutting your own throat - heck the "consultants" brought over often don't speak English and are some of the most poorly trained computer staff that I have seen employed by the Fortune 100 (granted they are usually employed via hiring a consulting firm who in turn hires the India folk - thus keeping their screwing of America "one off").
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 03:31 PM
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16. It's been disavowed that Clinton is for outsourcing?
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 03:41 PM by JTFrog
When? Link please.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 12:26 PM
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4. I'm not concerned when people change their minds on issues
Not a Clinton supporter in this campaign, btw.

If she has changed her position from unfavorable to favorable on outsourcing, I'd like to see her sincerely change her mind and position on it back to unfavorable. I'd like some protection for American workers for a change. Globalization is a reality because our administrations have made it so. And American workers have suffered for the policy.

Our candidates have a choice to make about what's important - American workers or corporate profits at all costs.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 12:32 PM
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7. I was thinking Lou Dobbs can have a segment and ask her.
Similar to John Kerry on Lou Dobbs. I think there would be questions for Lou Dobbs if he did not want to do this.
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 12:30 PM
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6. And do make note of the "Mrs." in the post
"Mr. Gupta, a major fund-raiser and benefactor for the Clintons who was nominated for ambassadorships by President Bill Clinton, was detailed in the Obama memo because his company outsources to India and he has vocally supported the practice."

Send the Bush and Clinton dynasties to India. Keep the jobs at home.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 03:04 PM
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14. This is exactly why HRC
won't get my vote.......under any circumstances.

K&R
:kick:
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 03:23 PM
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15. Need look no further than her seat on the board at Wal Mart.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:53 AM
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18. ,,,
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MLFerrell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:20 PM
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19. Huh. Hillary Clinton selling out America for campaign $?
Surely you jest.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:23 PM
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20. I wonder what makes Howard Dean favor it?
Howard Dean:

On outsourcing, there was a perception that the Democrats were against outsourcing and it was perceived as India-bashing in a sense. How do you feel about outsourcing?

We are not against outsourcing. But we are in favour of fair trade. Now India is not the problem.

The problem frankly is China. In India, you can join an independent trade union. You cannot do that in China.

In India there are environmental laws. Now, we prefer the environmental laws be more similar to the United States.

Trade is not the problem. The problem is fair trade. We need to have the same kinds of rules apply to protecting workers and protecting the environment in every country and not just in some and others. India is closer to the model than China is.

India is not the problem. The problem frankly is China

http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/sep/09inter1.htm
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