Hubby (my centrist, independent curmudgeon) finally figured out why he likes Hillary

He can't vote in our state's caucus in Feb since he is not a registered Dem, but has slowly swung from Edwards to Clinton

here's why he says (and I quote):

1)She's got more balls than any one else on the stage.

2)The Big Dog likes her and that carries a lot of weigh for me (he voted against Bill in '92, but had changed his mind by '96)

3) She doesn't tell me what I think. She tells me what she'll do. I am so tired of politicians telling me "This is what America wants" or "This is what America thinks"

so here's the report from the ground as of today.

I am shocked. Just shocked, I tell ya. :P

big shock eh?

I'm sure we can win the election pandering to the netroots community...why bother speaking to the majority of Americans...

hubby is an "Eisenhower Republican" voted for Perot in '92, Clinton in '96 and supported McCain until he jumped the shark in 2000 but voted for Gore while holding his nose, mostly because he liked Bill and hated GW.

He thinks a lot of Al Gore today but didn't like him much in 2000

and the 20 blue collar guys at his shop listen to him, respect his opinion and usually take his advice.

he's exactly the kind of guy we need.

He thinks Kucinich is a dreamer, thinks Biden is a great guy but won't get traction, he liked Kerry from day one, thinks Richardson is the most boring guy he's ever met and thinks Edwards has turned into a bleeding heart puff ball.

Watching him evolve is interesting as the race goes on.

Welllllll......on second thought.....I really do have a man like that around here. I guess that's why I think your man is awesome!

silly Auntie

:spank:

if he decides to support Hillary he'll bring around a bunch of the 'knee jerk republicans' around here.

and of course, I love him bunches :loveya:

#1 Yes, her ovaries are very healthy!
#2 Makes sense, coming from a guy ~ sort of the way guys accept their friends' girlfriends or wives.
#3 Never thought of this, but it's a very good idea not to tell people what to think.

Thanks for sharing!

and he's not afraid of strong women, he married me! :rofl:

#3 is the main point though....

..."She doesn't tell me what I think. She tells me what she'll do."

If I were running, I'd pay attention to that remark, it really does strike a nerve with me, maybe it does with others as well.

:hi:

and it's why I discount the constant din around here that HRC will lose if nominated.

The Clinton's understand how to win elections - they understand what demographics to appeal to.

It's not DU, btw...

I'm trying to decide if thats a good thing or a bad thing

it's probably a bad thing.

OTOH, if you think DK has a snowball's chance in hell of ever getting elected, then it's most likely a good thing...

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I truly think that she is not as much of a centrist as she's making herself out to be and given a solid Democratic majority in Congress she will move more to the left once in office. Probably not far enough to the left to please the DU crowd, though.

She knows who's paying her bills.

DK is my first choice, but should Hillary get the nod, I'd love to get my daughters, drive to the polls, and elect our first woman President. Talk about an historic experience.

after all, instead of promoting reading or highway beautification...she attempted health care which is clearly a left leaning goal

that's a good sign I guess

What a sexist comment. Let's get out the caliber and measure everybody's balls. :sarcasm: And I'm thinking DK has bigger ones.

With all due respect.....

Does he have a like thinking brother? }(

:rofl:

Oh well, back to the drawing board........ :D

his sisters are great and one of them is actually single!

are you in Central Oregon?

:evilgrin:

It'd be closer. :P


BTW, it sounds like you and your hubby have both been quite lucky. It does a body good to hear of such relationships. :thumbsup:

but it took years of work to get here

:hi:

of Americans, I can remember this has long been a complaint against Democrats in polls and such.

he hates that, be it from politicians, comedians or news pundits

Exactly what makes Clinton Ballsy? her question Dodging? Her corporate sucking up?

God I hate politics...

but it's what we have for now.

If we get Huckabee and the holy book as constitution then I'm sure things will get nicer.

tough minded and tough skinned

both (he feels) are necessary to make a good President

he thinks DK is a left wing whack a tron (his words, not mine)

I could not live in the same house as such closed mindedness.. Fox news merely existing is enough for me.

he gets his news from Jon Stewart, Keith Olbermann, Amy Goodman, Sirius Left Radio (Big Eddie) and me via DU

he just believes that we can't pull the plug on Corporations overnight.

he believes HRC has a better chance of convincing the Corps. that it is in their best interests to support good jobs, the environment and health care.

You are making a lot of assumptions there that may protect your world view but are a long way from reality.

edit to add, I just asked him about DK and his quote was "He's a pie in the sky dreamer, whether the Dems like it or not, Big Business is the back bone of our economy and it's just not feasible. He's sincere and honest, but his ideas would bring the country to it's knees."

With all due respect to your hubby, yes, Big Business is the backbione of America. But what we have today is so skewed and unbalanced that it is no longer competative free enterprise capitalism. It is a monopolistic monster. It is this which has already "brought the country to its' knees.

This totally distorted and overwhelming power of a few immense corporations was assembled brick by brick over the last 30 years by continual concessions, both large and small. Each newe merger added another brick in the wall. Each move to remove regulation of corporate behavior. Each time Democrats looked the other way, or repeated the conventional wisdom of teh Corporate Elite rather than telling the truth.

Much of that happened under the Clintons in the 1990's. If the Clintons had had any "balls" they would have started to reverse the process in the 90's. Instead they helped to accelerate it.

But they were complicit in it. They encouraged America to look the other way, and ignored this growing cancer as corporate consolidation, deregulation, "free trade" and right wing Milton Friedman economics in the person of Alan Greenspan occurred.

It would probably not do any good, but I'd suggest that your husband pull his head out of the sand.

He may be a good guy, but his brand of fatalism is what is helping to ruin this country.

he is a victim of off shoring and he's finally seen we need Unions to support the working class

his only beef with Bill was NAFTA

again, he thinks Hillary will be able to convince the Corporations it's in their own best interests to have Universal Health care, environmental protections and good jobs so that the US can continue to buy their products and help the bottom line.

he's realistic enough to know you can't bludgeon them into line, you have to appeal to their greed and best interests by using both a carrot AND a stick

I am not doing anything but reporting on a 'regular joe' and how he sees things. I have been able to educate him about a lot of stuff he never even considered before and if I can bring him around, we can bring others

But my brother is so fatalistic he's just tuned it all out. Makes it a point NOT to watch the news, because he doesn't see politics as doing any good. So I gave up on him.

(He actually dislikes unions, because in his former job he was lower-level non-union management. He was mad at unions because the union workers had a better deal than he did for doing the same basic job....It never occurred to him that rather than get mad at the union, he might recognize their advantages, and instead blame his boss for underpaying him.)

At least your husband is thinking about these things, even if I disagree with his conclusions.

And I love it that his opinion is respected by 20 other blue collar guys at the shop. That kind of thing has a ripple effect.

:hi:

Hekate

and we're married 14 years in Feb.

he handicaps this political stuff pretty right on....

He was right about the last election in regard to Kerry too. He said that the Dem base wouldn't get out and vote for him, or they would take votes away from him by voting for Nader.

I'm hoping he's right again this time around with Hillary winning the White House!