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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 06:12 PM
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2007 NCLB Prospects Are Fading
http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2007/11/07/11nclb.h27.html?tmp=1035975354

For all the discord over the No Child Left Behind Act, supporters and critics agree on one thing: It should be fixed, and quickly.

Now it’s looking increasingly likely that Congress won’t make much progress in addressing the law’s flaws this year, endangering the prospects that the task will be completed before President Bush leaves office.

Efforts to revise the law are mired in backroom negotiations in both the House and the Senate and show no signs of gaining the momentum necessary to ensure completion of the reauthorization in 2008.

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If such changes aren’t made soon, he and others predict, too many schools may be unfairly tagged under the federal law as needing improvement.

Schools that fail to make adequate yearly progress in raising achievement in reading and mathematics, whether for students overall or certain subgroups, face increasingly tougher sanctions under the law.

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 06:20 PM
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1. I can't make up my mind.
Is delay a good thing, or a bad thing?

If they decide it right now, the way things have been going, it will be a cosmetic "fix" to pacify dissenters, without any fundamental changes in the philosophy and intent behind the law.

If it is delayed until a new administration comes in to clean up, are we more likely to see major changes?

I don't know what to think at this point.

Or, more correctly, I know what I think and what I want, but I don't have any faith in seeing it happen. I want federal mandates, tests, AYPs, and things like giving recruiters access to student information stricken from the law. Banned, abolished, gone.

Just my professional opinion, of course. ;)
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 06:28 PM
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2. the question of major changes is the big one, yeah.
My faith is low, let's just say. :)
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 09:05 PM
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3. One of the reasons the faith is low
is that this issue just does not resonate with the general public. Plenty are happy to bitch about it, but few are willing to make it a priority.

This thread is a perfect example. If Clinton were accusing Obama of keeping a secret harem off shore, or Obama were accusing Clinton of an illicit affair with GWB, it'd be at the top of the list on the front page.

Or if it were a thread reporting teacher atrocities, or blaming teachers for the state of the system, it would stay on the front page for days.

A thread about federal legislation harming the nation's public school system draws little attention. America truly doesn't much value education.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 10:29 PM
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4. truly said.
Kind of a pity, really.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 08:54 AM
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5. It is a pity.
5 trips to the top of the front page, and 2 DUers have time to consider it.

:(
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:27 PM
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11. I think it's a bad thing
Every year I have to test my disabled kids is a bad year. I have been led to believe that this is one of the first parts of NCLB they will change. It's a no-brainer. So waiting to change it is a very bad thing, IMO.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:17 AM
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6. echoing all the sentiments I read here
I think it is sad but true that even liberals don't give much of a damn about this.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 05:24 PM
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7. let's give them another chance.
:) :kick:
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:01 PM
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8. As many as we have to.
:kick:
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:51 PM
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14. appreciate that.
:)
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:17 PM
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9. I gotta admit....I get lost in education talk
Maybe it's because I don't have kids.

Maybe the politicians ought to target the context of the issue to dummies like me.

I have friends who are teachers, and they are enormously frustrated by how tightly their hands are bound, in terms of "teaching to the test" and all of the other pressures to fit a mold.

One friend said she and otehr teachers were told not to concentrate on the low-achieving kids, or the high-achieving kids, but to focus on the ones close to the margin, so that they could be pushed up just enough to make the school come out better in performance reviews.

I don;t know if that's idiotic local and state policy or an offshoot of NCLB, however. Like I said. I'm a dummy about that issue. :dunce:
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:49 PM
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12. yeah, those are the "bubble kids".
but to focus on the ones close to the margin, so that they could be pushed up just enough to make the school come out better in performance reviews.

In my experience, those are the kids who scored from 15 points below to 10 points above the "meets expectations" level on the previous year's tests. They're the ones who get all the massaging - tutoring, coaching, chickens and goats slain in their honor - while the advanced kids are largely ignored. The special needs kids they try to transfer or get to drop out if they're old enough.

You're not a dummy, Armstead. If it seems too bad to be true, you probably understand it perfectly.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:01 PM
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15. Yes we are being told to focus on bringing up the middle
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 01:02 PM by proud2Blib
Statistically it is a more realistic goal. And we no longer work on doing what is best for kids, we work on raising test scores.

Yes it sucks.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:24 PM
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10. I just got the word the other day that they are waiting a year to address it
I call my congress rep at least monthly about NCLB. He has a great bill that says if it isn't funded, it isn't a mandate. But he can't get it through committee.

My principal told me Hoyer has a bill reforming NCLB that includes money for school based health clinics. Since we have a school based clinic at our school, we are watching Hoyer's bill.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:50 PM
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13. we *could* just wait until 2013
and see what they have in mind when all American schoolchildren don't make the grade.

Interesting about the Hoyer bill...
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:39 PM
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16. People are numb
It's like nothing will be done until disaster is knocking on the door, if even then.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:45 PM
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17. disaster is already knocking.
NCLB requires all but a very small percentage of special ed kids take the same test as everyone else. This isn't a bad thing straight out of the box - I'm primarily an LD specialist and the majority of the LD, EBD and OHI kids I've taught *should* be held to that standard because they can meet it with help - but I've also had low-functioning kids with mild intellectual disabilities who couldn't reliably tell a 6 from a 9. Yet, I got in trouble if I tried to meet them where they were instead of working on pre-algebra. When they can't balance their checkbook in a few years, disaster will kick the door down.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 07:16 PM
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18. Disaster knocked a long time ago.
Disaster is now a long-term resident in school buildings.

Disaster plans to stay until the goal is achieved, and the system is dead.

It's long past time to wake up and evict Disaster.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 08:12 AM
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19. once more unto the breach
:kick:
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 08:23 AM
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20. This monstrosity shouldn't be renewed, or fixed or whatever
It should be killed, quickly. Sadly, even Democrats are under the illusion that it can be fixed, despite all the evidence from the field that says this is a bad law that is ruining a generation of children.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 08:28 AM
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21. I've long since given up hope that they'd get rid of it.
At this point, I don't expect more than cosmetic changes, but I'm willing to be pleasantly surprised.
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