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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 08:00 AM
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What will women do?
I was reading a short Rasmussen Report, "Clinton Wins Republican Women But Loses Democratic Men."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/2008_presidential_election/clinton_wins_republican_women_but_loses_democratic_men

That gender gap must be filled with sexists and feminists, and should Hillary be the nominee, it will set up a classic battle like the one that led to incredible victories by feminists in the 1970s.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 08:08 AM
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1. Men who don't like Hillary are repressed homosexuals. Just a theory.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 08:38 AM
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2. I don't like Clinton, does that make me a lesbian?
I would just like to know because then I can stop drooling over George Clooney.

zalinda
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 08:42 AM
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3. Hillary for women?
Edited on Thu Nov-22-07 08:42 AM by mac2
It is illegal to be sex biased. I won't vote for Hillary because of her globalism agenda and politics not her sex. Her politics hurt women not helps them.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 08:49 AM
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5. that's one offensive theory. n/t
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 10:18 AM
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11. Guess sexism goes both ways? n/t
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:38 AM
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9. I was just kidding. Here's Hillary's record. Judge for yourself if the bashers are being fair.
Senator Clinton supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Trust for Historic Preservation 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Education Association 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Children's Defense Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Organization for Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 91 percent in 2006.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 100 percent in 2005

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence 100 percent from 1988-2003 (Senate) or 1991-2003 (House).

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Public Health Association 80 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers 84 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Worker 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 88 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of Government Employees 83 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Committee for an Effective Congress 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 100 percent in 2005.

According to the National Journal - Composite Liberal Score's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on economic, defense and foreign policy issues than 80 percent of the Senators.

According to the National Journal - Liberal on Social Policy's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on social policy issues than 83 percent of the Senators.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Alliance for Retired Americans 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 92 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Bread for the World 100 percent in 2003-2004.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Partnership for the Homeless 100 percent in 2003-2004.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=WNY99268

She was promoting universal coverage before it was cool. Furthermore she helped to create the SCHIP program. And most importantly she was dead on in the debate the other week where she said political will was the most important thing needed to push health care reform through and we know without a doubt she has that.

She has fougt unrelentingly for a woman's right to choose as well as women's rights both domestically and abroad

Create a Strategic Energy Fund - Hillary has proposed a Strategic Energy Fund that would inject $50 billion into research, development and deployment of renewable energy, energy efficiency, clean coal technology, ethanol and other homegrown biofuels. Hillary's proposal would give oil companies a choice: invest in renewable energy or pay into the fund. Hillary's proposal would also eliminate oil company tax breaks and make sure that oil companies pay their fair share for drilling on public lands. Instead of sending billions of dollars to the Middle East for their oil, Hillary's proposal will create a new clean energy industry in America and create tens of thousands of jobs here.

Champion a Market-Based "Cap and Trade" Approach - Hillary supports a market-based, cap and trade approach to reducing carbon emissions and fight global warming. This approach was used successfully to limit sulfur dioxide and reduce levels of acid rain in the 1990s. By capping the amount of emissions in the environment and allowing corporations to buy and sell permits, this approach offers corporations a flexible, cost-efficient method to do their share to reduce emissions and combat global warming. The program will reduce emissions, drive the development of clean technologies, and create a market for projects that store carbon dioxide.

20% Renewable Electricity Standard by 2020 - Hillary believes we need to shift our reliance on high carbon electricity sources to low-carbon electricity sources by investing in renewable energy sources, such as solar and wind. As President, she'll work to require power companies to obtain 20 percent of their energy from renewable sources by 2020.

Make Federal Buildings Carbon Neutral - Hillary believes that the federal government should lead the way in reducing carbon emissions from buildings. Buildings account for 40 percent of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, and the federal government owns or leases more than 500,000. Hillary would require all federal buildings to steadily increase the use of green design principles, energy efficient technologies, and to generate energy on-site from solar and other renewable sources. By 2030, all new federal buildings and major renovations would be carbon neutral, helping to fight global warming and cutting the $5.6 billion that the federal government spends each year on heating, cooling and lighting.

Protecting Against Exposure to Toxic Chemicals - Hillary wants to make the products we use safer, especially for children. There are tens of thousands of chemicals used in the U.S. and hundreds of new chemicals introduced each year, but little health testing is conducted for many of them. Hillary would require chemical companies to prove that new chemicals are safe before they are put on the market, and would set more stringent exposure standards for kids. She would also create a "priority list" of existing chemicals and require testing to make sure they are safe. To improve our understanding of the links between chemicals and diseases like cancer, Hillary would create an "environmental health tracking network" that ties together information about pollution and chronic diseases.

Hillary's Record

Hillary has been a leading member of the Environment and Public Works Committee since she was elected to the Senate. Today, she chairs the Superfund and Environmental Health Subcommittee and in that capacity has promoted legislation to evaluate and protect against the impact of environmental pollutants on people's health and clean up toxic waste.

Global warming and Clean Air
Spoken out forcefully about the need to tackle global warming in hearings, speeches, rallies and on the Senate floor and co-sponsored "cap and trade" legislation.
Worked to reduce air pollution that causes asthma and other respiratory diseases by writing and helping to pass new laws to clean up exhaust from school buses, and other diesel-powered equipment.
Supported legislation to reduce pollution from power plants, including harmful emissions of sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, mercury, and carbon dioxide - emissions that contribute to poor air quality, smog, acid rain, global warming, and mercury contamination of fish.
Aggressively fought the Bush Administration's ill-advised attempts to weaken clean air laws.

Improving Water Quality and Protecting Drinking Water
Helped to overturn the Bush Administration's attempt to allow more arsenic in drinking water.
Cosponsored legislation to protect lakes, rivers and coastal waters by fighting the spread of destructive invasive species, such as the zebra mussel.
Helped ot pass new clean water laws, including measures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

Protecting Public Lands
Fought oil company efforts to pen the Artic Wildlife Refuge in Alask and Pacific and Atlantic coastal waters to drilling.
Cosponsored the Roadless Area Conservation Act, which prohibits road construction and logging in unspoiled, roadless areas of the National Forest System, and voted for additional funding and manpower to combat forest fires in the west.

Reducing Dangerous Chemicals and Cleaning Up Hazardous Waste
Supported legislation to restore the "polluter pays" principle by reinstating a chemical company fee to fund cleanups of highly contaminated "Superfund" waste sites.
Cosponsored the "kids-Safe Chemical Act," which requires chemical companies to provide health and safety before putting new chemicals in consumer products.
Proposed legislation to create an environmental health tracking network to enable us to better understand the impact of environmental hazards on human health and well-being.

Tackling the Toxic Legacy of 9/11
Pushed for health care benefits for first responders, residents and others whose health has been impacted from breathing the toxic dust and smoke in New York City after 9/11.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/8/20/134810/677

The following are polls from progressive groups, rating Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, on how often they vote for progressive issues. For each group, http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011142.php

Clinton Vs. Barack Obama (progressivepunch)
Overall Progressive Score: 92% 90%
Aid to Less Advantaged People at Home and Abroad: 98% 97%
Corporate Subsidies 100% N/A
Education, Humanities and the Arts 88% 100%
Environment 92% 100%
Fair Taxation 97% 100%
Family Planning 88% 80%
Government Checks on Corporate Power 95% 97%
Healthcare 98% 94%
Housing 100% 100%
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 82% 77%
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 94% 91%
Labor Rights 91% 91%
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 94% 90%
War and Peace 80% 86%
easures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 08:44 AM
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4. Women who don't support Clinton aren't feminists?
Excuse me while I put on my June Cleaver heels and pearls while I clean the house and wait for my man to come home so I can bring him his slippers and pipe while I cook him his dinner.

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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 08:52 AM
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6. Well
Right or wrong, those people who support Hillary solely because she is a woman are in general placing greater emphasis on issues of feminism than those who support her or oppose her for other reasons.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 10:17 AM
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10. No, they are placing greater emphasis on her gender
if they are supporting her solely b/c she is a woman.

Feminism is not just for women and Hillary Clinton and her supporters do not have sole custody of feminism.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 10:19 AM
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12. Depends what you mean be "feminism".
If you mean "supporting women and opposing men" then they are.

If you mean "opposing discrimination on grounds of gender" then they aren't.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 12:01 PM
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16. Oh lookee, an MRA that I haven't put on ignore yet.
I don't know how I let that get away from me. I'll just be fixing that now.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 01:24 PM
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17. What is an MRA? n/t
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 01:30 PM
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18. Men's Rights Activist (or Asshole if you prefer)
Basically, it's a guy who thinks women's rights have gone "too far" and now men are being oppressed.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 01:34 PM
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19. Thank you n/t
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 08:54 AM
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7. She won over my 74yo R mother to even switch party to
be able to vote in the primary for HRC next year; after being a registered repub since 1954.

I was struck speechless, a near impossible feat!

And I miss the 60's and 70's! Shirley Chisholm, Barbara Jordan, Rachel Carson, et al, some amazing women back then that inspired me to care about political issues as a teen.
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ilovesunshine Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:34 AM
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8. 2 ex Republican women and 1 ex Republican male for Hillary
in my immediate family.

My mother and myself, and then my husband.


I also don't see the big hoopla in some women wanting to vote for Hillary because she is a woman. We have never been given this option before, and it's a GREAT option to have on the table!

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LeFleur1 Donating Member (973 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 11:14 AM
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13. Kinda Curious
Let's pretend.

Let's pretend that women had been in power for the last 200 years. Let's pretend that men had no rights to speak of unless the women in their lives allowed it. Let's pretend that outspoken, uppity men fought for those rights, and against very big odds, convinced some powerful women to allow a few rights throughout the years. Let's pretend that the men kept chipping away and making progress. Let's pretend one of those men, whose record showed that he had fought for men's rights, had gained enough moxie to run for President of the USA in a field of women. You don't think many men would vote for him, on his record, of course, but also because he be a man?

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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 11:34 AM
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14. I just plain ol don't like Hillary ...no hidden agenda ...no he-man woman haters club here.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 11:56 AM
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15. What will women do.....?
Strange question. Why would women be different because a woman is running for President? The question has elements of - ah - sexism?

Just kidding! Women will do what they know best: go by their great instincts. And the sooner we get a woman in charge of this foundering republic, the better. The men have not done well in the past.

Must be an - ah - instinct thing.

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