Is Hillary a "Goldwater Girl" ?

What do you mean by that (other than she supported Goldwater)? Are there many Goldwater republicans left?

All that came out after his defeat by LBJ, and when the GOP moved into the Reagan era. He called Nixon the 'most dishonest individual I have ever met in my life,' and as a Senator during Watergate, urged Nixon to resign. That was the first "Goldwater Moment" in modern times.

and give us a break for at least Thanksgiving Week-end?

You might notice there are no slime tosses from the Hillary camp on
the web.

Give her credit for that at least.

or delusion.

in early 1966 when I was sixteen. A little over a year later I was travelling to Washington DC for anti-war protests. It is a stupid attack line used against her. It's fair game to attack Clinton on her current positions or her adult career, but dragging up that part of her youth as if it proved anything is plain silly.

It is just pure smear? I suppose I shouldn't expect anything better.

I wrote it to ask whether there was any meaning or substance to the term, other than a cheap shot. I've seen it used, without elaboration: aka Hillary IS a Goldwater Girl. I was inviting comment. Do these posters know what they mean - or even care?

I don't know what "Goldwater Girl" means, if anything.

had a round of beat-Dennis over his long abandoned anti-choice views.

Campaigned and investigated voter fraud allegations for Republican Richard Nixon in his 1960 loss to Kennedy...

Actively campaigned for Republican Barry Goldwater in 1964...

Interned for Republicans Gerald Ford and Melvin Laird...

Campaigned for Republican Nelson Rockerfeller...



I wonder what eventually caused her to change sides? Could she have perhaps thought (and rightly so!) that after Nixon's impeachment, the chance of a Republican Administration gaining the White House was a wee bit of a longshot over the next ten years or so???

I have also read that she worked for DEMOCRAT Gene McCarthy in '68 when he almost beat Johnson in NH...


I never heard of RFK working for Joe McCarthy, though I HAVE heard he was tight with Joe Kennedy - I have read that in '52, he was appointed assistant counsel of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations by McCarthy...is that the same as working for him?

Apparently, McCarthy was also godfather to Robert F. Kennedy's first child, Kathleen...

I wonder how big role RFK had in the McCarthy Hearings later on?

How about Wesley Clark? Totally without any redeemning value, both of them? Because to be consistent that's the position you need to take. And Jim Jeffords and Lincoln Chafee are so awful because they weren't just republicans but republican senators.

It absolutely is irrelevent 40 years later what a 17 year old was thinking then. Like I said above, when I turned 16 I still had fantasies of enlisting in the Army to help fight the communists so the poor people of South East Asia could be free.

that made that point clearly. I was being snarky- more or less saying if Clinton was so bad for supporting Nixon at 13, what about other politicians in the dem party, and pointing out that there have been some decent repukes- even recently.

...and I still agree, but you know, people can argue about fully adult conversions, whether or not to trust them, and people do that here all the time. Believe me I went through that with Wes Clark on DU and elsewhere, starting in 2003 for years, and it still comes up from time to time.

We can throw in Arianna Huffington and Marcos at Daily Kos and plenty of others who underwent full scale adult Republican to Democrat conversions, but all of that tends to obscure the main point which is that Hillary was literally just a kid with Republican parents back then. That is what makes this whole "discussion" so ridiculous.

Clark SHOULD have been Kerry's running mate in 2004 (or so I thought).
I like that Webb beat that racist asshole Allen in the last election, and I like that he's good enough to sit in the Senate to prevent * from making any disastrous recess appointments...apart from that I am pretty ignorant of his record - he's pretty new, isn't he?

Isn't Jeffords an Independent? And I know Chafee isn't an Independent, but from the small amount I have read, he apparently COULD be. I'm only peripherally familiar with either of them, so I don't really have an opinion regarding either of them... but I REALLY LIKE Independents.

To be consistent, I have to think that Wes Clark and Jim Webb are without ant redeeming value??? That's a bit of a stretch, I'd say...why would I have to think ANYTHING of the sort? Why should I have to be consistent about things or people that are completely unrelated?

Do you always respond like this?

with your parroting of the counterpunch crap, you were casting suspicion on Clinton because of her republican activities as a child. I was pointing out that there are plenty of dem elected and ex-elected officials who have far stronger republican backgrounds than Clinton, and I was also pointing out that not all republcans = evil. And Jeffords became an independent, but was a repulican for the vast majority of his elected career.

In 1952 Bobby felt Stevenson was soft on communism.

People change.

A lot of people who were fierce anti-communists turned on McCarthy's tactics over time.

I just did a fast biography search on Hillary and got this:

"She became a Democrat in 1968 while attending Wellesley College. She was active in student politics and was elected student government president, whereupon she advocated the admission of more black students and admission of men to women's dorms. She went to Yale Law School where she met Bill Clinton.

They moved to Austin to work for the McGovern campaign in 1972. In 1974, Hillary Rodham moved to Washington, where she worked for the House Judiciary Committee's special counsel John Doar on the impeachment of Richard Nixon. In October, 1975, she returned to Arkansas and married Bill Clinton. He was elected Attorney General in 1976, and she worked on Jimmy Carter's campaign. Afterwards, she joined the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock and in 1977 was appointed to part-time chairman of the Legal Services Corporation."
http://www.politics-now.com/news/hillaryclintonbiography.php

I dunno. Working for the McGovern campaign and later for the special counsel seeking to impeach Nixon doesn't seem like such a strange early career for a Democrat to me. I guessed you missed that part in your research.

that poster is simply full of it- and by it, I mean Counterpunch crap. All that came straight out of article by Cockburn

We are supposed to stand for something. We are supposed to believe in honest debates and an informed citizenry. We get pissed as hell when Republicans swiftboat our candidates with cut and paste cherry picked hatchet jobs that conveniently bury inconvenient truths that undercut their smears, I see no reason why we should put up with it when it supposedly is a Democrat or a leftist employing the same tactics against a Democrat. Blatant attempts to misinform have to be confronted. We shouldn't put up with that type of politics here, we have plenty of legitimate issues to debate.

{b]Rodham attended the 1968 Republican National Convention in Miami, where she decided to leave the Republican Party for good; she was upset over how Richard Nixon's campaign had portrayed Rockefeller and what Rodham perceived as the "veiled" racist messages of the convention.



1968 Republican National Convention - August 1968.



HRC, turned 21, October 1968

In 1964 the Republican Party had a strong relatively "Liberal Wing" which was widely referred to as Rockerfeller Republicans. John Lindsy was initially elected Mayor of New York City as a Republican who later won reelection on the Liberal Party line. Jacob Javits was a liberal Republican U.S. Senator who Alphonse D'Amoto later defeated in a Republican Primary to take over his seat, defeating a Democrat and Javits who ran on the Liberal line in the general election.

It is interesting that Hillary migrated from being a Golwater supporter to sympathetic to Rockerfeller between 1964 to 1968, and it seems she kept moving left from there in College.

wtf are you talking about? She was barely 13 in 1960 when she supported Nixon, so what if she actually did traipse around her neighborhood checking out voter addresses. In fact, if true, good for her for being such an engaged kid.

In 1964 she was 17. So what if she supported Goldwater?

Clinton most certainly did not intern with Ford in 1976, she did a couple of week internship in the House under Ford in 1967 or 1968.

By 1968 she was supporting McCarthy for cripes sake, demolishing your dishonest argument that she thought republicans didn't have a chance at the WH for 10 years.

It's clear that you got your information from that scum Alexander Cockburn and piece of shit rag Counterpunch. It's about as reliable and honest as Worldnut daily.

If any of the info I posted is substantatively incorrect, I will be more than happy to correct it.

I never said she was with Ford in '76.

If she DIDN'T think that the Repblicans were done like dinner after the impeachment, she wasn't as smart as you seem to think she was.


I have been trying to take a better look into her early years, and some of the time she spent as Arkansas First Lady...pretty thin on the ground, but some of it is pretty good. I'd really like to find out more regarding her work at Rose Law and also the Vice Foster/Whitewater thing. Any good links?

I had no idea she had this kind of past!!! Very cool.

she worked on the House Committee pursuing impeachment against Nixon?

She was 13 in 1960. Very strange indeed.

Her father was a conservative. She supported Goldwater and even did some volunteering for the Nixon campaign in 1960 while still in high school. However, by the late 60s she became an outspoken liberal and spoke out forcefully at Wellesley against Vietnam. Still her work ethic and the centricism that influences her politics in many ways stems from her upbringing. Her book lays all this out very well and I think it's quite convincing. You get a real sense of who she is from reading it.

over 40 years.

Just sayin'

http://goldwatermiller08.com/

or "Goldwater Guy" if you will.

third-graders? After all, they were all in the third grade at one time.