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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 07:10 PM
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Obama Closing in on Clinton
Obama closing in on Clinton
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-071125page-column,1,5379948.column

Clarence Page
November 25, 2007

Perceptions are nine-tenths of reality in politics. If the voters think you're a winner, they are more likely to jump on your bandwagon. If they think you're sitting dead in the water, you're a bum, no matter how appealing your ideas might be.

* snip *

What's changed? Obama has gone on the attack. Or, as he puts it, he is drawing sharp contrasts and distinctions between his own positions and those of his leading opponent. The perception of decorum is important in politics, even as you quietly put on your brass knuckles.

The turning point was evident in the Oct. 30 Democratic presidential debate in Philadelphia. Clinton was questioned sharply, especially by Obama, the journalists' panel and former U.S. Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina. After exhibiting supreme confidence in the earlier debates, Clinton sounded evasive and even self-contradictory on key issues in Philadelphia. Afterward, even she admitted that she had fallen off her game.

A good example was her awkward wavering on whether she supported granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. She seemed to be trying to support the idea in principle, but not necessarily in practice. Obama has since made a theme of criticizing Clinton as lacking honesty, candor and consistency. Clinton countercharges pointedly that Obama lacks experience.

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In a later Iowa appearance, Clinton responded like a seasoned veteran putting a young upstart in his place. "Now voters will judge whether living in a foreign country at the age of 10 prepares one to face the big, complex international challenges the next president will face," she said. "I think we need a president with more experience than that." Bop! Ka-bam!

But Obama should be delighted. Attacks from your political rivals can be the sincerest form of flattery. Front-runners usually don't make pointed jabs at rivals unless they think they have a real fight on their hands. Besides, knowledgeable observers noted that Clinton was stepping on shaky ground in boasting foreign policy expertise. She was a first lady, after all, not a secretary of state.

Adding to Obama's perception of momentum is a new ABC News/Washington Post poll released last week. The poll is the first in which Obama has scored a higher percentage than Clinton in Iowa, where the Jan. 3 precinct caucuses will formally launch the 2008 presidential race.

Obama's lead in the ABC/Post poll is within the survey's margin of error, pollsters caution, which means he and Clinton remain in the statistical dead heat in Iowa that they have been in since at least mid-summer. More ominous for Clinton is the apparent shift in what Iowa Democrats say they are seeking in a candidate. A majority in the new poll favor "new direction and new ideas" over "strength and experience" by 55 percent to 33 percent. A July ABC/Post poll found the ratio was 49 percent to 39 percent. Suddenly the lock that Clinton seemed to have on the nomination appears to have come unlocked.

The new battle of perceptions between Obama and Clinton is one of "honesty" versus "experience," in the Iowa poll. Even among Iowa's women, who have been more supportive of Clinton than Iowa's men, 30 percent believe Obama is more "honest and trustworthy," while just 18 percent say that for Clinton. For Obama, Iowa has turned from lackluster into a love fest.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 07:16 PM
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1. Whoop, there it is!
Nice story. This part was especially satisfying:

In a later Iowa appearance, Clinton responded like a seasoned veteran putting a young upstart in his place. "Now voters will judge whether living in a foreign country at the age of 10 prepares one to face the big, complex international challenges the next president will face," she said. "I think we need a president with more experience than that." Bop! Ka-bam!

But Obama should be delighted. Attacks from your political rivals can be the sincerest form of flattery. Front-runners usually don't make pointed jabs at rivals unless they think they have a real fight on their hands. Besides, knowledgeable observers noted that Clinton was stepping on shaky ground in boasting foreign policy expertise. She was a first lady, after all, not a secretary of state.


ZING!



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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 08:49 PM
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2. Hello! This is a post that needs a kick

:bounce:
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 09:08 PM
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5. You betcha.
:toast:
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 08:51 PM
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3. Nice
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 08:53 PM
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4. Gobama!
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 09:15 PM
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6. I think the funniest line in the past month while Obama has been rising is this:
Hillary was the Face of Foreign Policy in the 90s.
Tom Vilsack.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 10:34 PM
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9. That blooper should be on a T-shirt along with this...
:rofl:

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 10:58 PM
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10. ha, ha, you said sack
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 02:47 AM
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17. I'm surprised Tweety hasn't run with that line by Vilsack...

...

Then again, he desperately wants to see Rudy v. HRC in the General, so he's probably biting his tounge on quite a few things (for the time being)..
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 09:21 PM
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7. Obama's been a real bulldog out there recently, and unlike Edwards, he's never
looked desperate or bitter. He's strongly, strongly impressed me.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 09:22 PM
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8. Dupe. "Good citizens check for dupes."
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 12:02 AM
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11. Go Obama, go!! I may support Edwards, but Obama is looking more and more like a winner.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 12:40 AM
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12. Excuse me but the media has helped Obama with this one poll
more then he ever could have done. I find it amazing that NBC, CBC,MSNBC, CNN, Fox all had their polls taken during this time period and the polling ended on 11/18 same as the ABC/WP poll. Now out of all those the only poll that showed Obama ahead by 4 was ABC. All the other polling showed HRC ahead from 2 to 10 points. These media outlets made their polls known and then when ABC gave their polling all those media outlets began using only the ABC poll. WHAT? WAS THEIR OWN POLLING WRONG? If I were the hired pollster for any of those media outlets I would be pissed because of the use of the ABC poll and not the polling they paid their polling company to do. Yes, when all those outlets say a new poll is out today and speak as thoug this is the only poll that mattered it does help Obama, BUT, BUT......out of 12 polls done in Iowa Obama only leads 1 poll....

Wait till the next polling comes out and the AbC poll has Clinton back in the lead by oh say 3 or 4 points. Do you think those msm outlets will spend as much time saying a new poll is out and HRC is ahead again. I doubt it very much....

Obama nationwide is sinking in the polling. This is state by state and if he happens to win the caucus in Iowa it does not mean anything when voters go in NH, SC, Mich. Nevada, and HRC is ahead by double in those states....By the 15th of February HRC will have enough delegates to a majority and be the nominee and will pick up more as the year progresses, and Obama will be outside waving at folks and saying "I am the new face. What about me?" Well what about you Obama, you lost get over it.....

Ben David
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dugggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 12:46 AM
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13. Only in Iowa Obama is anywhere near Hillary
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 01:19 AM
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14. Just like Edwards, he's betting everything on Iowa. nt
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 01:28 AM
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15. And it's according to one rather dubious poll. {nt}
uguu
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 02:19 AM
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16. Aya...


Since you're very much into polls, can you please explain why you think this poll is "dubious"?

Are you an HRC supporter? I'm wondering, because they don't seem to question polls which have her in the lead for some reason.





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