John McCain

is right about one thing. It is a great disservice to our military when the US has Halliburton's welfare above anything else. The only problem is that he is trying to spin it in the traditional Repulsive way.
It is so nice to see people returning to their home towns. He makes it look like everything is fine on the home front. What he don't tell you is that these people are being kicked out of other countries like Syria and being sent packing with nothing. Where else are they supposed to go?
The surge is working? If so, why are we paying militia men $300.00 a month and ARMING them to fight Al Qaeda? What is going to happen when Al Qaeda is driven from Iraq? This well armed militia will then become secular and anti-American. Who could possibly see this coming?

This war is the biggest fiasco in American history and people like McCain are so goddamned arrogant and ignorant that they think they are winning.

How long are the American people going to believe this bull shit?

Do you believe that this Mid-East conference is going to do any good at all? The leaders of these other countries believe, and rightly so, that Bush is a liar and a buffoon who is controlled by Cheney and the cabal for the purpose of destroying the Middle east and thereby controlling the world's oil.

Or am I all screwed up?:rant:

No doubt the man is SERIOUSLY out of touch with Reality.

It was a real jaw dropper wasn't it?
Did you see that little sneer on his face? I wanted to hit him between the runnin' lights.

He's viewed as a moron here in Arizona.

does that perception of McCain in Arizona get more national attention? He is a bush water carrier for sure.

Don't worry, you'll snap out of it.

Remember the REAL McCAIN? --> http://therealmccain.com/ (watch the video)

It is just sickening that these people have no moral compass whatsoever. They will say what they believe people want to hear. Never mind their own devious agendas. The commonwealth be damned. I need to be elected and re-elected and re-elected again and again. I am so important that these peons aren't even good enough to clean the bottom of my shoes!

But, I digress.

The only one that I have heard speak truth is Dennis Kucinich. I am with him 100%

He's the Great White Hope for many retirement Repugs. They see him as the former POW who will kick ass in Iraq, Iran and whoever else he targets. And these retirees down here aren't very vocal but they are very loyal party members.

that George Washington chopped down a cherry tree
saying "I can not tell a lie". We also were told that Lincoln walked 10 miles to pay back a penny.
Both stories are just political fables.

Now we are told that John McCain was a tortured POW.
I wonder about McCain's history as a POW in light of him caving into Bush allowing him to
keep torturing prisoners in secret torture camps. I think McCain's story is also a fable.

McCain is the son of an admiral and it is known that he got special treatment when he was
supposedly held in North Vietnam as a POW. I think that maybe McCain either wasn't really
tortured like the real troops were because if he were he wouldn't have caved in to let Bush
do the same sort of thing that the Commies did to him.

Any senator who supports legalized torture is committing treason to the Constitution.
Torture is an evil practice and America should not embrace it.

Marc Perkel
San Bruno, CA.

that McCain was a POW and that he was tortured are not fables, but truth. In the early 1990s, when he was on Kerry's POW/MIA committee, Kerry got them access to the prison in which McCain was held. McCain spoke of it in his book. To question whether that happened is equivalent to Bob Dole saying that Kerry never bled in Vietnam.

I do think that giving him more credit on torture issues because he was tortured makes little sense. There is more reason to predict that Kerry who risked his future to protest American actions would be firm in never deviating from his statement that the US shouldn't torture period.

I disagree that McCain was ineffective on ABC - with the help of the media arguing that there is a light at the end of the tunnel, McCain is stating that now that they are doing what he argued for since 2002, it is working. Did you notce that Cokie Roberts spoke of "If they did what they should have in 2003 - and went in with a bigger force, ....." (In 2003, Shinshicki argued that they needed the much larger force to deal with the peace.

Fortunately for us, McCain is a long shot. I think that, wrong as he is, none of our front runners would have an easy time arguing with him on Iraq. On global warming, he can point to having been more active on that issue than any of our front runners. He and Kerry tried to raise CAFE standards - I think twice in the Clinton years.

on the torture issue. He and Kerry faced torture and came through it as heroes. I don't doubt that one bit.
McCain is too much of a bush water carrier to have any credence with me at all on much of any issue.
Take a look at his record; Against the emergency supplement (HR 1591) that set withdrawl, voted for the 505 billion defense bill, against after school funding and against the energy and water bill. One could go on and on, but I think you get the picture.

his positions on the war and foreign policy are scary - but it is wrong to distort his Vietnam captivity. (To my knowledge Kerry never faced torture as he was never captured.)

he was not a prisoner of war. I got carried away there

caving into bush allowing him to keep torturing prisoners in secret torture camps and him saying he was tortured. That was the point.