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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 03:27 PM
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“There is one job we can’t afford on-the-job training for — that’s the job of our next president.”
So says Hillary. Did I miss something? When was SHE president? :shrug:
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 03:30 PM
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1. Every single one learns on the job
It's a different one for every new president.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 03:38 PM
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4. Exactly. So why would she say that?
That's taking her husband's coattails to a whole 'nother level.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 03:31 PM
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2. shhhh! You are supposed to accept that she was the power behind the throne OR
that Bill will be the power here, with Hill as Pres by Proxy. Whichever view will make you vote for her.

You aren't supposed to THINK, or examine her statement factually - that type logic has no place in politics since 9/11..... After all 9/11 changed everything!

:eyes:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 03:39 PM
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5. I agree...
She seems to be saying SHE, unlike Obama, has been president before. :wtf:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 08:12 PM
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31. So did hillary
have her say about the Telecommunications Act in 1996?

snippets~
"The Telecommunications Act of 1996<1> was the first major overhaul of United States telecommunications law in nearly 62 years, amending the Communications Act of 1934, and leading to media consolidation.<2> It was approved by the 104th Congress on January 3, 1996 and signed into law on February 8, 1996 by President Bill Clinton."

snippets~
"The Act was claimed to foster competition. Instead, it continued the historic industry consolidation begun by Reagan, whose actions reduced the number of major media companies from around 50 in 1983 to 10 in 1996 <1>, reducing the 10 in 1996 to 6 in 2005.<6>

An FCC study found that the Act had led to a drastic decline in the number of radio station owners, even as the actual number of commercial stations in the United States had increased<7>."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_Act_of_1996

hillary can't have it both ways..experience in the White House and "standing on her own".

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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 03:32 PM
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3. Meaning we need someone who'll step right into those corp controlled boots
of the outgoing idiot?

Someone ready to continue the war in Iraq?

Well, I guess she makes a good point. I dunno. :shrug:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 03:41 PM
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7. Then she should've said what she meant...
but of course, she ALSO said a president shouldn't say what they think. I can't believe the MSM hasn't latched onto this statement and said, "Huh?"
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vireo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 04:04 PM
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12. That would be a "gaffe"
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 03:40 PM
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6. The claim that Obama would be insufficiently experienced is bogus.
The claim that Hillary gained no executive experience in her years in the White House is bogus.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 03:42 PM
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8. Agree...
and disagree. :)
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 03:57 PM
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9. OMG.Not only do we not need an election, but she thinks she has already been Prez? Wow! LOL!
Edited on Sun Nov-25-07 03:58 PM by saracat
Wasn't "Gore" VP? I wonder if Bill knows?:rofl: :rofl:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 04:25 PM
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16. Exactly...
and Biden said he wouldn't want to be her VP because BILL is there. We need to get out of the Bush/Clinton rut.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 04:03 PM
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10. Where did her vast experience come from?
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 04:04 PM
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11. I agree with Sen. Clinton...and so do many others. I think Rep. Charlie Rangel said it best
when he said he was 70-something years old, and he doesn't have time to help train someone to be Prez.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 04:17 PM
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14. Then Hillary shouldn't be president. Only past presidents should be president
using her logic.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 04:16 PM
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13. If you take it literally, even an ex one term President would need re-orienting
to the job after being out of office to some extent. The job demands change, and the skill sets needed also, change with changing circumstances.

But it is foolish to take it so literally. There is a common sense point that she is making which all are free to weigh and judge as they see fit. Some prior experiences better prepare someone for a new job that they never before held than do others. That isn't some radical concept, it goes into hiring decisions in business, government, and non-profit organizations all of the time.

It is one reason why some argue that a Governor needs less on the job training to become President than a Senator, because of their executive experience, while others argue the opposite citing a Senator's familiarity with international issues for example.

Hillary Clinton had a front row seat to the inner workings of an American Presidency that very few people are ever afforded, and in many ways she is much better oriented to what she will need to deal with should she become President than many prior Vice Presidents ever were. She also has pre-existing relationships with a large number of foreign leaders who she spent time with while her husband was in office. She did personally travel to over 80 foreign nations, and no she didn't spend her time overseas lounging at hotel pools or shopping for gifts to take home to relatives. It was no secret to anyone inside or outside this nation that Hillary Clinton was in the loop of decision making, courtesy of the nature of her relationship with her husband, so when players on the world stage got alone time with Hillary it is very unlikely they squandered all of it with talk about the weather.

Hillary Clinton understands first hand how the complicated web that passes for a chain of command functions inside a Presidential Administration. She was present and involved when policies were hatched and promoted to the public and to Congress. She doesn't have to familiarize herself with all of those ropes from scratch.

Does any of the above make her better qualified to be President than anyone else? That is up to the hiring committee - Democratic voters - to decide. She has her resume and she has her case to make about it, and now voters get to decide how strong her case is and how important her prior experiences are in the larger scheme of things.

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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 04:23 PM
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15. If being first lady counts as presidential experience,
why aren't we allowed to see the many unreleased documents from her time in the WH? And how many of the foreign leaders she met are still in power? And why does she get to distance herself from Bill when convenient? She has to take the good with the bad if that's how she wants to be seen. :shrug:
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 04:30 PM
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18. HRC is all "political expediency". She claims to be part of the Clinton Admin when convenient and
distances herself when focus groups don't like a position.She even changes her name according to focus groups and expediency.She was "Rodham" but the Arkansas voters were perceived as not "liking' that so "Rodham Clinton" she became.Now she is "Hillary" to skirt the issue but "Clinton" to associate with Bill.She is a candidate with a malleable identity!
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 04:34 PM
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20. I agree that you get the bad along with the good anytime you lay claim on something
But all politicians emphasize the good rather than the bad, that part goes with the territory of politics. Of course it is fair for her opponents to not allow her to cherry pick her experience in pursuit of votes, and vice versa when that applies.

Leaders change (but not always as quickly as they do in the U.S.) but national interests tend to play out on a longer cycle, so any detailed exposure to the high level concerns of another nation's leaders have a longer shelf life of relevency than just those individuals terms in office.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 11:22 PM
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43. I DO take her literally. She took that right out of the Repub. memo sent out
and she repeated it. Right out of the RW playbook.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 04:29 PM
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17. I wish the other candidates would point that out. n/t
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 04:33 PM
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19. Well, at least Obama said,
“My understanding was that she wasn’t Treasury secretary in the Clinton administration, so I don’t know exactly what experiences she’s claiming.”
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 04:35 PM
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21. Agreed. And I was glad to hear him say it.
But I wish he'd come out stronger and put and end to this bullshit argument once and for all.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 04:39 PM
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22. I agree.
He should come out and say, "ANY of us who wants to be president would be having 'on the job training.'"
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 09:15 PM
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34. Please take the time to read post #13 and digest what is said.
What about that explanation don't you understand? I think Tom explained the situation very clearly and you guys just ignore his points and go on and on as if you heard or read nothing! Set a grip and take the hateful blinders off.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 09:38 PM
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37. I read it.
Thanks for the advice. :hi:
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 11:20 PM
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42. It wasn't advice. It was a suggestion or request.
:hi: to you too.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 11:24 PM
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44. Well, I DID read it. And now I commented on it just for you.
Edited on Sun Nov-25-07 11:26 PM by jenmito
:hi: I'll be watching posts written to you and I'll suggest you reply to them. OK?
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 12:07 AM
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48. OK...but you still didn't get my point.
:hi: Does it have to come to this? :cry: I'm sensitive...I hate losing friends...but I love attention and I'm glad you will be watching out for me. :hi: again and goodnight.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 12:21 AM
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50. I DID get your point.
Don't be so sensitive, buddy. :hi:
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 09:47 PM
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40. Is there an opinion committee here at DU now?
one poster states an opinion and we all must 'read and obey'?
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 11:16 PM
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41. No, not read an obey! Read and reply to their answer to your previous post.
The post was just ignored after it took the poster some time to comment and explain. However it was ignored as if it never been posted and you go on and on with the same old irrational comments.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 09:44 PM
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39. But according to Tom Vilsack she was the face of the Clinton Administration's
foreign policy. (Was that a paid position?)
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 04:41 PM
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23. She will be a fabulous president. Don't worry about it
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 09:27 PM
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36. Agreed! The greatest woman president America ever had! lol
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 04:59 PM
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24. Hillary is so wrong for this country.....
We need change!
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 05:11 PM
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25. So... what's Shrub been doing these past 7 years?
:::confused:::

Oh, I forgot, Cheney's been running things, duh..
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 05:12 PM
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26. already had that scenario 2001-2008
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weeve Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 05:41 PM
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27. So using that logic ...
... I guess we should blame Hillary for the Health Care debacle due to her botched planning ( and the Health Care mess we STILL find ourselves in ) ... also the NAFTA passage, and it's shipping of Main Street jobs out of America ... and lets not forget delivering the Congress to the Republicans for twelve years or so.

It's that kind of experience that this country most certainly DOESN'T need. With that kind of record, I'd prefer someone with absolutly NO experience, thank you very much.

Clinton cannot be our nominee, or WE'RE SUNK !!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 07:23 PM
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29. Exactly, but conveniently...
Bill Clinton said the failure of the health care plan was really HIS fault (meaning she was NOT involved like she supposedly was (she can't both get credit for it AND not get blamed for it). And you're right about the other points in your post, too. :hi:

Yes, I think we need a fresh start like Bill Clinton was in '92.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 07:17 PM
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28. So was it HILLARY who let Bush1 off the hook throughout the 90s and has the
experience to do it again for Bush2?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 07:27 PM
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30. Well, according to her, it WAS her by her implication who had the presidential experience.
:shrug:
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 08:51 PM
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32. Remember, when Bush seized power they said "the grown-ups are in charge now".
And the grown-ups have done so well so far, haven't they?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 08:59 PM
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33. Yup. I guess Hillary feels he should remain in power then since "these times" call for
someone with presidential experience, which he has and which she doesn't have. :shrug:
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 09:19 PM
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35. When she says that, here's what she really means.
"Elect me because I was the wife of the last Democratic President."

No thanks.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 09:40 PM
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38. Except when she gets called on something he said that she once agreed with
Edited on Sun Nov-25-07 09:41 PM by jenmito
but now says she no longer does, (his position on torture) when she replied, "Well, he's not the one standing here."
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 11:26 PM
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45. Right, That's why Hillary would be such a terrible choice as our nominee.
She needs a lot more training.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 11:28 PM
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46. She seems OVER-trained to me. She's an expert politician and that's not a compliment.
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 11:30 PM
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47. Yes, I see your point. She's been around so long, in her case it does not help her.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 12:13 AM
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49. Bingo. n/t
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