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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-25-07 06:10 PM Original message |
Clinton: I Have Best Chance Vs. GOP ("more Dem support from the so-called red states than anybody ") |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-25-07 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
1. The headline statement is undeniably true |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-25-07 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
2. Why did TeamClinton never show up to oppose Bush 2001 thru 2006, leaving every |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-25-07 07:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. yes, as I have shown repeatedly. Now, will you change the subject, move the goal posts, or both? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-25-07 07:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. No - you never did. And on the two biggest issues of 2002 and 2004 elections, |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-25-07 07:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. LOL! You just moved the goal posts! First you said 2001 thru 2006! |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-25-07 07:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. No, I didn't. I was using 2002 and 2004 elections as EXAMPLES. Downing Street Memos |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-25-07 07:46 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. post #2: "2001 thru 2006" vs. post #4: "2002 and 2004." |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-25-07 07:56 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Did you miss the SECOND paragraph about DSM in 2005 and Iraq timetable in 2006? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-25-07 08:06 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. you first said 2001 - 2006, now you want to concentrate on just two events. Goal post moving |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-25-07 08:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Seems to me that you're being evasive and trying to change the subject. nt |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-25-07 08:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. seems to me you're wrong. I want to stick to blm's orginial premise |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 09:14 AM Response to Reply #14 |
30. Unfortunately for you, people can READ and know I also point out 2005 and 2006 |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 09:35 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. unfortunately for you, people can read and see how you continuously move the goal posts |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:06 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Unfortunately for you, most people can read TWO PARAGRAPHS at a time and |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:11 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. the post of your I replied to (pre-goal post movement) didn't contain a single paragraph |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:24 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. But you said the post where I pointed to 2002-2004 elections was the move |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:28 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. I replied to your post #2, where you clearly gave no specific events and used a 7 year time table |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:31 AM Response to Reply #32 |
49. Deleted sub-thread |
blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 09:06 AM Response to Reply #11 |
29. You are deliberately misconstruing what I said - as is your way when you can't defend |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 09:36 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. it's typed plainly for people to read. Too bad for you the editing period has expired |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:05 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Do you need everything in ONE PARAGRAPH, wyldwolf? Are 2 paragraphs too much for you |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:06 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. the original post of yours I replied to didn't contain a paragraph. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:20 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. You claim I only pointed to 2002, 2004 when I clearly included examples from 2005,6 |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:21 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. in post #2, what events to 2002 and 2004 did you specify? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:26 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. The 2002 and 2004 elections where they sided with Bush more than the Dem left |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:30 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. you didn't specify ANYTHING in post #2. Read your own post again |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:38 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. I did not move any goalposts - you claim mentioning 2002-2004 moved the goalposts. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:39 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. it is goal post moving. Your post #2 specifies a 7 year period. Your words, not mine |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Hey - That Vanity Fair article last month where Gore's people say they were |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. well, you moved the goal posts immediately. Took you a while to change the subject |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:11 AM Response to Reply #58 |
69. Clintons failed to stand with Dems opposing BushInc and you want to pretend they did |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. still trying to change the subject. LOL! |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #70 |
74. Keep hanging your hat on fabricated claims. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #74 |
79. hey, "2001 thru 2006" is a very specific statement. You made it, not me. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:48 AM Response to Reply #79 |
83. And I specifically gave EXAMPLES from that timeframe - something you distort |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. but not in post #2, displaying your aptitude for goal post moving |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Because I was being brief and NOT specific till YOU replied. Most DUers KNOW |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. you were quite specific - 2001 thru 2006. That is real specific |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. And???? Twist and shout.....YOU are the goal-post changer who can't reconcile |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. hey, your post #2 said Team Clinton didn't oppose Bush 2001-2006, then you moved the goal posts |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. No goalposts were moved - you're hanging your hat on a distortion - as usual. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. yep. When it was clear you were wrong about 2001-2006, you changed to 2002 and 2004 |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 12:38 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. You need to PRETEND Downing Street Memos(2005) and Iraq timetable vote (2006) don't |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. is that all that happened between 2001 and 2006? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 01:03 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Nope - it was a general overview with a few EXAMPLES - I left out ToraBora and |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 01:21 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. two events is a general overview? Sorry, you don't get to decide what is important for eveyone else |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:37 AM Response to Reply #5 |
50. Not really butting in here, but isn't 2002 and 2004 in between |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:42 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. she specifically stated "seven year period," as in... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:59 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. You never showed anything close to Clintons sticking their necks out to oppose Bush |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:00 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. yep I did, and with supportive links |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #60 |
94. Heheheh....twist and shout wolfie. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. heh! wading in denial river, moonie |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:48 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. He made an inaccurate reply back at me, and instead of admitting it, he keeps |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:49 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. quote my inaccurate reply |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #56 |
63. You claim I said this just this....... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:05 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. read your post #2. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:15 AM Response to Reply #65 |
73. I'm not denying it at all - but that wasn't the post being argued - you posted |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #73 |
80. from the very beginning I've been arguing post #2 (before you moved the goal posts) |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #80 |
87. Twist and shout all you want..... most people know the difference between posts |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. right. They see in post #2 how you claim "TeamClinton" didn't oppose Bush 2001-2006 ... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. They didn't show up to oppose Bush on those issues and I then posted examples |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. you listed no issues in post #2, then moved the goal posts when I called you on it |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 02:09 PM Response to Reply #95 |
104. No I didn't. You PRETEND that I did so you can argue. Guess what? I don't care |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-25-07 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
8. Most polling would beg to differ. |
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ilovesunshine (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-25-07 07:56 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. You might not like it, but it's true. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-25-07 08:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Your denial seems to indicate you won't like this: |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-25-07 08:39 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. so, you like these poll results? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-25-07 08:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I suspect you won't like this: |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-25-07 08:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. ha ha. So you blew it on the first poll. But your next one says nothing of your candidate. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-25-07 09:29 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. What's not funny but actually quite sad is how poorly Hillary's showing is against the GOP. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-25-07 09:32 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. but not according to the first poll you put your faith in, and the second poll doesn't show Obama's |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-25-07 09:33 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. The OP is about Hillary claiming she can win when obviously she can't or barely. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-25-07 09:36 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. No, it's about Hillary's chances vs. the rest of the Dem field... |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-25-07 09:37 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. She obviously is wrong. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-25-07 09:39 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. not according to the two polls you posted |
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ilovesunshine (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-25-07 09:40 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. The majority of polls show her doing better than Obama in a head to head match up. |
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rAVES (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-25-07 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
17. Top Gear.. a british TV car show done a section in the US |
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Carrieyazel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-25-07 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
26. Hillary's assertion is laughable. She's got the worst chance. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:07 AM Response to Reply #26 |
39. yet, polling says you're wrong. |
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GreenTea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 04:23 AM Response to Original message |
27. What bullshit...oh how she lies....she is the candidate with the highest negatives by far though! |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 09:38 AM Response to Reply #27 |
35. except the polls say differently |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 04:29 AM Response to Original message |
28. According to SurveyUSA's latest head-to-head match ups, Obama is the strongest GE candidate |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 09:37 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. According to this morning's gallup, Clinton is |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
31. I am still standing? |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
40. She battles the GOP but she doesn't battle their backers |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
45. She has more Democratic support in red states. |
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Ishoutandscream2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
51. More red state support than other Dem candidates? Ummm |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
61. OK, Clinton supporters, |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. so you're a big believer in anecdotal evidence? |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:05 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Answer the question, please. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:06 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. sure. Ohio, VA, New Mexico, Arkansas |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:23 AM Response to Reply #66 |
75. I don't consider |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:33 AM Response to Reply #75 |
78. so we're now basing "red states" on your opinion? |
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ilovesunshine (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:09 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. Nevada and Arizona. |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. That's only 15 |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:13 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. that's only 15 what? Did you ask which red states, specifically? |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Electoral college votes. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. so? You didn't ask how many EC votes, you asked how many red states |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:45 AM Response to Reply #77 |
81. "Win" does refer |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. yes it does. So if she wins a red state, she wins their EC votes. Right? |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #82 |
89. This conversation is getting |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. yes it is. Odd you jumped from one thing to another |
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Nedsdag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #67 |
105. Not if Hillary is the nominee. n/t |
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FreeStateDemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
68. Obviously, John Edwards would but the Clinton family is famous for lying |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
101. I'm sure Captain Smith said he was the best captain for the Titanic |
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