Paul/Kucinich and deciphering bullshit stories and sloppy reporting

First off, this comes from a blog.

Blogs tend to get it wrong more often than not and is another vehicle papers use to push storys they are not sure about.

Secondly, whenever you see quotation like this "I'm thinking about Ron Paul" and the writer finished it off like this; as a running mate.

Chances are it's bullshit. Every single time I see this method used, I call bullshit on it, and I'm correct 99% of the time. I have 8 years of picking through bullshit stories about Kerry, Edwards, Franken, Clinton, Moore etc.

http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2007/11/if_kucinich_wins_nomination_ro.html

Basicly, it's ussually a wise choice to wait for an official announcement from the candidate. If Kucinihc was stronly thinking about it or considering it he would have a piece about it on his website or a semi respectable source would have announced it by now.

they often report it themselves.

Personally I don't know if it is true or false in this case. I elect to wait and find out.

on the Ron Paul blimp...:rofl: Yelling he likes Ron Paul!


http://www.ronpaulblimp.com/

How else will the morons stop DK from detracting from their candidates?

He makes them look bad, regardless of his "choice" for VP.

I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

I think a 6th grader developing basic grammar skills would find what's reported in that blog as suspicious.

then edited his post.

Since nuked. Obama must be hurting.

Incredibly suspicious in and of itself, poster included.

Is this true or is this BS? I never heard of this guy can someone please confirm this?

http://www.obamala.com/


My name is Marc Whittemore. I started the original grassroots group ObamaLA and carried it until it was 2,500 people strong. Having done substancially more homework now I am inclined to switch my vote.

Make no mistake about it -- I think Obama would make an AWESOME President -- far better than any other stale "part of the problem" Democrat running. However. In case you have not noticed America is picking up "flush momentum" and going down the tubes FAST. We no longer have time for rehersals or inexperience. We MUST get it right and get it right this time. We don't even have the luxury of voting along party lines if we are to get it right.

And so. Even more surprising is that for the first time in my 32 years of voting I will be voting for a Republican president. And that Republican is Ron Paul. Listen people. And take the time to listen CLOSELY to Ron Paul -- because, like the last, we can ill afford one more drastic idiot mistake in the White House. Lives depend on making the right choice -- indeed our entire nation depends on the right choice this time.


Sincerely,
Marc Whittemore
Los Angeles, CA

Or why he would be so crazy as to choose Ron Paul.

The only problem I see here, provided any of this is true, is the problem Dems have running too close to Republicans on certain issues.

of crazy people in America. Are the pro war/Bush followers sane?

MWO even started a counter-offensive asking us to call as "lifelong Republicans"

:eyes:
rocknation

choosing John McCain.

for your post.

k&r
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It's a great example of how long it takes the truth to catch up to a lie.

If I didn't have a life I'd take names for everyone falling for this story for when the media ramps up against the nominee. I suppose then they wonder why no body listens to their cries of "Bullshit".

There were 70 witnesses who will attest to the New Hampshire quote.

For some reason I don't think they came away with the same impression you did.

Which is usually the polite way to turn down a date.

And 70 witnesses at that event did not report this story. Nor did the person who posted this state they were at the event. Sometimes you have to consider what they are not telling when reading this stuff. Looking at the quotes;

<<<<<<"I'm thinking about Ron Paul" as a running mate, Kucinich told a crowd of about 70 supporters at a house party here, one of numerous stops throughout New Hampshire over the Thanksgiving weekend. A Kucinich-Paul administration could bring people together "to balance the energies in this country," Kucinich said.>>>>>>>

It's painfully obvious something is amiss. Getting a quote rite in instances such as this is imperative to any journalist that values his/her credibility. This person obviously screwed up which accounts for the chopped up quotes.

If you don't/can't one might suggest you shut the hell up.

There isn't a rumor too ridiculous for some DUer to post.

Tis sad.

This just tells me media awareness courses need to be taught in schools.

I think it is a bad idea to call her reporting "bullshit."

She's not as bad as Koff or Naymik, but she definitely ranks up there. No doubt some of these "reporters" live in fear of losing their jobs if their right wing editors are unhappy.

That's not an excuse for bad reporting. I don't envy anyone trying to be honest in the world of print journalism these days, but it doesn't change the fact they need to be honest and report fairly.

from the Kucinich camp pointing out the errors in this report? This blog is from his hometown paper.

If we don't get such a comment from Kucinich in the next 24 hours, then either the blog is factually correct or the Kucinich team's concept of rapid response is so lacking that it would be foolish to nominate him.

This little game is routinely played with Kucinich and the Plain Dealer. Pee Dee smears, Dennis calls them on it.

and those two reporters are the worst ones for creating and selling said dung. :hurts:

Do not trust them, ever.

I take the opposite of whatever they say about him.

As above poster stated...long term "games" with CPD & DK.

I would say the fact that DK refused to rule Paul out, even after EK claimed he was considering it, would be telling.

There is a difference, HUGE difference between the two.

and is written by paper employees, the paper stands behind it. This isn't Joe Shit the Rag Man's Blogger.com account. Your stance that it's "just a blog" is nothing but denial.

"Paper employees" and the media in general are complete slobs as it is. Like I stated above, if the story had any credibility to it, it would not appear in the blog space.

They're not simply clearinghouses of lies, or fact-free zones, or "anything goes" pages. They're where papers put up-to-the-minute reporting on the minutiae of politics, sports, or whatever the subject of the blog is. They often have an informal tone, in an attempt to capture casual readers, but the paper by necessity stands behind it. False information on a paper's official blog will bring the same libel suit that false information in the morning paper's headlines will.

This story probably won't hit the main pages, unless people really start to talk about it. Not because it's a lie, but rather because it's transient in nature, and news about a candidate with 4% of the vote considering selecting another 4%er for VP has an extreme niche audience.

You really should read your own BS before posting it.

Newspaper Blogs are places where opinion reigns and folks offer a different angle on stories. They are the equivalent of the New York Posts Page Six. I read a lot of Newspaper Blogs. Especially the New York Newsday Blog. The guys who write them are the same people who offer regualar articles.

They are a place for specualation and rumors.

And after reading about the author of this paricular blog is doesn't sound like she/he is respected amongst their piers. Not one other news source is backing this story up or running with it.

The OP states: "If Kucinihc was stronly thinking about it or considering it he would have a piece about it on his website or a semi respectable source would have announced it by now."

Or, alternatively Dennis would have objected to the quote on his website if it were untrue or misleading.

His silence on this suggests to me the quote is genuine.

this morning. KGO San Francisco.

Elizabeth said it. Dennis confirmed it.

The duracell bunny just goes and goes and goes.

The Dealer is the only source claiming he said this.

Chances are Kooch may not know about it yet.

i'm glad i don't see the usual jerks flogging this ad nauseum here.

With bylines from two of their Washington bureau staffers:

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/119606963456620.xml&coll=2

Kucinich suggests a Republican running mate
Monday, November 26, 2007Sabrina Eaton and Stephen KoffPlain Dealer Washington Bureau
Acworth, N.H. -- Call it the liberal-libertarian ticket, where left meets right and Democrat Dennis Kucinich picks Republican Ron Paul to be his vice president.

Kucinich, the Cleveland congressman running in a longshot bid to become president, suggested it himself Sunday.

"I'm thinking about Ron Paul" as a running mate, Kucinich told a crowd of about 70 supporters at a house party here, one of numerous stops throughout New Hampshire over the Thanksgiving weekend. A Kucinich-Paul administration could bring people together "to balance the energies in this country," Kucinich said.

This story and these quotes don't appear in any other source. The Plain Dealer is not the only newspaper cov3ering Kooch in New Hampshire.

This is also the same blog post now appearing as an article.

It's a bullshit story and it's painfully obvious. A move like this is big news and likely to be covered by more media outlets. Especially the ones that are there. The Dealer is not the only one there (That's provided that they are there)

the PD is a right wing rag with low journalistic standards. Its editor never runs a story that hasn't been cleared by Voinovich or the Bush WH. In quality, it ranks only slightly higher than Rev. Moon's Washington Times.

It has one or two good columnists, namely Connie Schultz, Sen. Sherrod Brown's wife, but the stooges who work for Voinovich, LaTourette and the RNC keep her from writing about anything of substance. Pathetic bullies.

Not one other news source is running this story.

probably because the PD twisted some words and made the story up.

They don't believe in quality journalism, just in protecting Repubicans.

He's had plenty of time to issue one.

Regarding the fact that the PD is the only source for this, aren't Kucinich supporters repeatedly complaining about how he's ignored by the media? It's pretty plausible that other sources don't consider this newsworthy by their standards -- why divert from the Clinton-Obamafest to report on what a guy polling at 2% has to say about his potential running mate?

between HRC, a Republican, and a Kucinich/Paul ticket, I would surely vote for the anti-imperialist ticket.