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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:57 AM
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Here's what's sad about the whole Kucinich kerfuffle.
As I see it, Kucinich wasn't serious about Ron Paul; he was going after the NH voters who like Paul and trying to ingratiate himself with them. And that goes directly to whether or not he's really as principled as many people thought/think. If he's willing to do that for votes and funding, it's hard to maintain that he actually is all that principled, and not just like every other candidate- willing to compromise his beliefs for political advantage.

The other possibility is that he was serious. I won't even entertain that.
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Justyce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:04 AM
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1. Did he actually say that? I was under the impression his wife said it
in passing in an interview. :shrug: (If he did say it, though, I would have to agree with you... it is unthinkable.)
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:06 AM
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2. he said it. there's a thread with a link to the audio
right here in GDP.
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Justyce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:11 AM
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5. Thanks, I missed that.
Yikes.
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Punkingal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:08 AM
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3. I wonder about Kucinich sometimes....
When I was watching the State of the Union address by Bush, I noticed afterward that Kucinich was standing by the aisle waiting for Bush to autograph his copy. He stood there for the longest time. I found that puzzling. I have such contempt for Bush I wouldn't even want to be in the same room with him, much less get him to sign something. But he waited and Bush came up the aisle and signed it, and Kucinich looked happy about it.

I like Kucinich, but I simply can't understand his doing that.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:15 AM
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6. Maybe he thought that it would give him instant support?
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:10 AM
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4. I believe he was flying a kite
with some humor and whimsy. I also believe that lighting struck it.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:18 AM
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7. I think the most obvious motive applies, here:
Edited on Thu Nov-29-07 10:19 AM by rucky
Kucinich opposes the war. Paul opposes the war. Both candidates are being marginalized by their own parties as a result, so why not consider an indy/unity ticket?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:35 AM
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11. because aside from opposition to the war, they are diametrically
opposed on virtually every other issue. I know some people think that the war is the only issue, but it's not. And Paul is also a xenophobe and a racist. How can that be reconciled?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 02:54 PM
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13. I'm not saying it was well thought-out.
but worth pondering.

I'd love to attend a rally if it happened, just to see Kucinich and Paul supporters together. Reminds me of when I camped out for Grateful Dead tickets the same morning that Amy Grant tix went on sale. That was an interesting mix of folks in front of the record store.
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AlertLurker Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:18 AM
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8. What principle did he violate? What beliefs did he compromise?
He certainly acknowledges and explains that there are serious differences between he an Paul when it comes to economic and social issues, so I don't see the compromise. The only principle I can see violated here is the lame, old "thou shalt not take a Puke for a running-mate."

You are right, however - he's going after the NH libertarian/independent vote. Hopefully with a vengeance. He's got to attempt to get closer to the top in the NH Primary if he wants to stay in the race and he knows that the deck is stacked against him from almost any perspective.

He needs the NH Independent / Libertrian Vote simply because a) they are closest to his positions and b) they comprise a larger percentage of the electorate in NH than in any other primary state. He needs Libs and Indies to take a closer look at him. Not just those who like Ron Paul, but those who haven't even looked at Kooch, period, just because he's a Dem. He wants to be taken seriously by precisely these folks and if he has to use Ron Paul as a foil to do it, then more power to him.

At least he's not continually back-stabbing other candidates for votes like HRC, Obama and Edwards.


Go, Dennis, Go!!!
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:28 AM
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10. The only selling point for Kucinich is (was) his uncompromising progressive stance.
To entertain the notion of teaming up with a right winger simply because both are marginalized means he's lost the only edge he once had.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:25 AM
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9. With everyone hanging on every word, he'd better be serious.
Kucinich, as a massive underdog, is in a position to make no compromises in his positions. He can and should pound the drum as being the only true progressive candidate of the bunch.

When he decides to associate himself -- for some odd reason -- with a hard-right politician like Ron Paul, he throws it all away.
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:36 AM
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12. This incident lets those of us off the hook

who admired Kucinich but knew his chances of winning were low - now when his incessant phone caller fund-raisers phone, I have a good reason not to support him...
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 06:47 PM
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14. What is sad is that he lived up to his rep as a nut , that his defenders worked
so hard to eradicate. If he was a serious contender, he would have realized every word coming out of the mouth is either written down, recorded, taped, etc. Thinking process not functioning.
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