How Deep Is Hillary Hatred?

Pretty fucking deep, ergo:


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/11/30/1524/4598

Christ, the haters on the left are worse than the freepers.

of course some assholes write shit like that here ...... but it's "just a joke".

...(and I'm talking about legitimate criticism of Clinton, in general) being positioned as "hate". It's such a Rovian tactic.

I am strongly opposed to any Democrat who holds power position on
the Senate Armed Services Committee---and does nothing to stop this
lie-based war and the destruction of our democracy.

Hillary Clinton knew the PNACers were lying about the Iraq
war. They asked her husband for the same war in the 1990's.
Hillary could have stood on the Senate floor and said, "Wait
a minute, this is the same cast of characters who asked my
husband to go to war with Iraq, just a few years ago. This
is not legitimate." Instead she pulled the words right out
of Bush's mouth and suggested a Saddam/Al Queda connection
and she also said that Hussein could use nuclear weapons
in the future.

You'd have to be dead, not to be outraged by that.

Hillary helped Bush lie us into war. Instead of focusing on the
tone of her critics, why don't you examine why you cater to a
Democratic candidate who votes to perpetuate the neocon agenda?

Not one DUer EVER stood here and defended Lieberman and his pro-war, pro-neocon
votes. We all stood in unison and denounced his hypocrisy. However,
when Hillary votes like Lieberman--and outrage is shown--somehow it's defined
as hatred.

Yeah, I'm angry. So what. I'm even outraged and disgusted. It's ok
to be angry, outraged and disgusted by Lieberman, but not Hillary? Why
does she deserve special treatment?

Focusing on the messenger while ignoring the message further spotlights
that Hillary's votes and actions are indefensible--and the only thing
left for you to do is deflect attention from her by demonizing those who
point out her obvious corruption, warmongering and hypocrisy.

???

He or she is so fucking predictable..

What do you mean? You're implying that you can see something
that I'm attempting to hide.

Are you sure you didn't mean to call me "predictable" or "banal"
or "tiresome"?

It's very important to use the proper adjective, if you're going
to insult someone!

when 5 or 6 paragraphs will do. :+

...has never been my strong suit.

However, in my defense, I type about 98 wpm. So really, those long posts are
only 2 or 3 minutes of typing...which really would be a short
conversation if you were talking with me in person.

;)

...Hillary became a warmonger. So ask not what Hillary
can do for the neocons, but what the neocons can do for
Hillary! I have a dream...that Hillary will explain
her Kyl/Lieberman vote and not back away from it. So...
give me liberty or give me Hillary!

In fact, my first sentence says, "and I'm talking about legitimate criticism of Clinton, in general".

I never commented on the statement from someone who said "The hostage taker is a Hillary
plant".

I don't think that's legitimate criticism. But since you asked, I think it's an
unfounded accusation.

To Disabuse You Of That Notion


DSB

Hillary "planted" a maniac to incite mayhem--is quite a stretch.

I would never have said such a thing.

HOwever, I don't agree that the comment was about "hating" Hillary. It's probably
about completely distrusting her.

In my state, her campaign planted a question at one of her speeches. Hillary
denied knowing about this. Then another woman in our state came forward to
reveal that her campaign staffers tried to get her to ask a planted question.
It's obvious that this was routine and that Hillary sanctioned it. Low-level
staffers don't go running around audiences, making up their own rules.

Hillary and her pro-war voting record doesn't forge a great deal of trust in her
candidacy. I question her motives. So do many others

With that said, I would have never suggested that Hillary planted the fake bomb
guy. However, I do understand the underlying mistrust the person probably has,
which most likely sparked the comments in the first place.

:boring: :boring: :boring:

Sorry to break into the "OMG lefties are so evil" persecution party, but it seems you guys are enjoying the broad brush waay too much.
I scanned the comments there and it seems like EVERYBODY is condemning it, and so you might consider there are LESS "haters" than you portray.
I would consider that a good thing.
That post on dKos was beyond hate or even pathetic or stupid. It was a layer cake of these and worse.

There are uberstupid posters everywhere, and plenty here on DU, but we are a BIG community, and i would guess MOST of us are decent enough folks.
Please start the healing process NOW, before more damage is done. If HRC gets the nom, it will make OUR job of bringing in reluctant voters much easier if there is less joyous mockery and stereotyping...on all sides.

This is not a game to me - the future depends on electing a Dem in the WH next year. And I am trying to think a few months ahead here. Please take it in that spirit, and note that I am NOT a "hater" of any of the candidates.
Back to your fun I guess.

they disagree, criticize with substantive links to support their'opinions...

just F'n Trolls

But responsible progressives and liberals and centrists, etc SHOULD be able to discuss differences and commonalities.
This is what I would like - we need to be strategizing on how to extend the power of the left wing to enable whatever center-left candidate to win and then govern.

By criticizing from the left, it helps to make the candidate seem more centrist, pulling votes he/she might not otherwise get.
The GOP has gone so batshit rightwing that there is some opportunity for picking out the non-racist middle.

So, more votes, maybe a few pick ups in Co, NM, maybe Arkansas and others - then shout mandate and REPUDIATION of Bush Doctrine.
This would set the table for less effective GOP whining and teeth-gnashing (and we know there will be plenty of that) and so we might be able to pass some damn overdue legislation.
By pulling for single - payer and other real progressive change, the dialectic may shift a bit. Even though what passes won't be near perfect for most, we are changing the dynamic.

By having some modicum of competence, some progress and a justice dept that will go after at least SOME of the BS of the last regime, by the end of the first term we can change the memes and framing on security, fiscal responsibility, etc.
Again, a loud and effective left will HELP in this dynamic, if it is well played. And it gives the Prez more space in which to triangulate.
I guess that is the crux of it - we can move ONE of the points on the triangle! ;)
The compromises will be more progressive with that counter-pressure than if progs bail out or give up.

I wish the hard core Hillary pep squad realized this, or acted like they did.
I would BET that Hillary herself is damn well aware of it.
Any savvy politician gets that, and she is one.

I'm sure you haven't; I'm just feeling snarky about all the crap I've been reading on the internet.

You can't tell the difference between the left-wing and right-wing blogs anymore. They sound identical. Fringe is fringe and extreme is extreme. It doesn't matter which end of the spectrum it comes from.

It started with the radical-right: Rush Limbaugh, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, etc. The moderates just hoped it would all go away, but it didn't.

Now it's out of control and I don't see any end in sight.

How pathetic.

She is not my favorite candidate, but she does get people engaged into politics.

On this incident?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2377226&mesg_id=2377553

Posters original post was deleted,this is an answer to someone else calling him/her an idiot. The deleted post accused Clinton of being behind the hostage taking for political gain.

She is, as far as I can tell, using precisely the techniques Republican candidates have used effectively for decades. But for whatever reason, even though we periodically get infuriated at our own for not doing whatever is necessary to get elected, we have a blind spot when it comes to actually recognizing when a Democratic candidate is doing whatever is necessary to win.

She's not my first choice, but I would be proud as hell to see HRC in the White House.

My goal, now, as a voter, is to support her opponents as a means to guide her towards concessions and compromise. I trust her as much as I trust any candidate. But like Obama, she will eventually have to ease up on the artifice. When that happens, I think even those who detest Hillary will understand what she's up to and support her.

At least that is my hope.

Can't think of a single Dem I hate. I do not however, want her for my President.

you might seriously consider not posting her photo with bush's and the "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" caption.

Seriously. and this is from someone who admires the hell out of your dedication to, and advocacy for, JE.

Honestly, for me hate is a very personal thing. I can't imagine hating any one I don't really know. (Hell, I can't think of any one I do know that I hate.) To me it's a huge word.

That said, I truly believe there would be little difference, especially in foreign policy, between another Clinton administration, and the Bush administration. This is my honest belief. And I will fight to make sure it doesn't happen. But what I will never do, is piss all over a positive post on HRC.

Honest, I don't hate her, I do, however, detest her policies.

I play golf with a group of guys who can't stand Hillary. They call her a bitch, a lesbian, they say she hates the military. When I ask for proof they cannot cite anything. What I have figured out is that they are scared to death of her. So they have to demonize her in order to confront their fear of her. Listen to Rush or Sean or Billo and what sounds like hate is really fear. I find it funny that a 60 year old women scares the shit out these guys.

You nailed it, bpj62. Very well said.

It's the same here. DU has attracted people from the other side of the spectrum who despise Hillary, but many of them, too, despise her for the same reason. They fear her, although they'll never admit it.

Welcome to the forum.

The thought of another Clinton in the white house scares the living shit out of me.

You ol' Snake!

just go to show, republican style. While those hate Hillary posters here aren't republicans, they sure have a republican mind set.

When I see coulter, Fox news, rush and all the rest, rant and rave about anything democratic...I said to myself gee we Democrats are above that kind of stuff. Gee if feels good to be a Democrat and have class and character. That's until I see all the Hate HIllary postings. I just couldn't believe that Democrats had sunk to the level of the republicans. But I guess there are SOME OF THOSE KIND in every party.

We'll just complain that she didn't play hardball, didn't fight hard enough, she didn't do what was necessary. Just like many people said of Kerry.

We'll get lectures about how Dems need to take a page out of the Republican Playbook.

We hear this election after election. But when one of our candidate does precisely what is required, many of us can't even detect it.

One thing that stands out is the sense that they hate her less powerfuly than DU does. Between the lines of the usual communist bitch comments, the tone is one of grudging recognition of her (grossly overestimated) awesome power... like she is Rommel or (in their case) General Grant. She is the ancient enemy...

They now think that Hillary personally controls the entire news media. So they have conceded defeat, on some level.

Lots of speculation it's CODE PINK. No mention of muslims, even in the first minutes when all that was known was that it was a suicide bomber set-up.

The consensus view is that Clinton staged this thing to distract the news media from the planted gay general CNN debate story.

(I cannot think of any reason Clinton would want to distract from that story... it's not even harmful.)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1932902/posts?q=1&;page=1#1

Fear and unacknowledgable respect drives their thinking process, such as it is.
Whether they see her as Grant or Sherman is another discussion.
If she took a southern state or two, I would say Sherman was more apt... :)

Ironic too, that the GOP had to create the you tube scandal as a "Hillary the all powerful planter" to distract from the absolute clusterfuck that "debate" was.
Like the 04 "Heee's a baaad man" routine by Lynn Cheney after Kerry kicked *'s ass in that debate.
So now they are projecting - one of their default modes.

I cannot go there, the stupid burns too much.
Thank you for your service :patriot:

including Hillary Clinton. If she's the nominee, I'll proudly cast my vote for her in the general election.

But to accuse her of staging some incident with a lunatic is way beyond a reasonable response.

This is exactly why she should not be our nominee.

DSB

because we'd need all our friend to vote for her in the GE.

NoFederales

My RW brother-in-law says he would never consider voting for Huckabee because he's from Arkansas, and he refuses to forgive that state for giving us the Clintons. My BIL isn't stupid - giving the quality of the Repug field, I might be able to argue for voting Dem as long as it's not Hillary.

Hillary's negatives are just too high - we've got to nominate someone else.

read and learn..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3776098#3776170

There are millions of ignorant assholes in this country

and I will not cower from them. Sorry to hear you will

e.g. Kyl-Lieberman

those young people held hostage should have all the left be in solidarity for today. One god damn day.
is that too much to ask of people. those young people could have been killed.

And greasy.

"murderous, warmongering bitch" Hillary isn't simply reasonable and honest disapproval of her policy positions? Hunh.

Does that mean if we call Obama an - evil, lying, murderous bastard, maybe photoshopping him into a Nazi SS uniform to provide a visual cue - and maybe refer to Michelle Obama as a cold-hearted, disgusting, two-faced bitch - thousands of times a day for months on end, that we would merely be engaged in reasonable, honest political debate as well?


I don't much believe in complaining about bad behavior, like this thread does. Anybody engaging in such behavior has already demonstrated that they don't care about civility, and seeing that it is effective in pissing people off will make them do it more, not less. I believe you hit back, like we're starting to do, and be willing to get ugly about it if need be. This is a bigger lesson than just regarding the Democrat-Hating-Leftists that the DU moderators have given free-rein to. This is what you must be ready to do to Republicans when the time comes. Primary season is general election preparation time.

To that end, I'm glad to see that Hillary supporters are finally starting not to take this vitriol any more. By applying approximately 1/10,000 of the vitriol back at Obama's acolytes, we have them whining about vicious, hateful Hillary supporters, and putting people on ignore. Some people only understand things when they are on the receiving end. The biggest bullies are always the biggest babies.

maybe when Edwards or Obama supporters see their guys pics photoshopped, or posed next to Bush with things like "Old Boss, Meet the New Boss," things will change around here.

I have my doubts about where some of these "supporters" of hers come from. I haven't talked to a single soul who has anything good to say about her and I know a hell of a lot of Democrats.

not like the cult-like following that some of the 'others' attract. It's very disingenuous to rely on personal anecdotal experience as proof of anything, and pretty damned rude to suggest that anyone's being paid to post here.

My hatred is reserved strictly for Repugnicans. However, she's not my choice of candidate.

I personally do not know Hillary.

But that said, I don't particularly like her, nor do I want her to be president.

I don't hate Hillary. I hold her in some esteem. I just don't want to be led by her. When I heard about the incident at midday, the FIRST, gut reaction I had was "oh shit, was this staged"?


Funny thing, I wouldn't care one bit if it was, nothing shocks me anymore.

'bout time. GD crazy a**holes.

and there's just a disgusting poll left up. It certainly doesn't reflect the views of most Kossacks, though. And, the best reaction against stuff like that is to let the poster know that it's disgusting.

is not for Hillary. No point in arguing the matter, anyone who can read the board can just click down the threads and see all the attacks on Obama, Edwards especially from Hillary supporters and then read their threads and what they say.

Yeah, right runs pretty fucking deep against non-Hillary supporters.

What is so funny is Hillary supporters trying to act like they do not do any name calling, trash talking, etc. Makes them look pretty stupid actually.

Point of this thread? Works for a flame thread actually, nothing else much.