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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 06:01 PM
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let's stop the "iraqis need to take responsibility for themselves" meme
every time I hear that line, I want to scream (even when it comes out of the mouths of democrats)

the iraqis HAD responsibility for themselves before the thugs of bushco began an illegal, immoral and unjust war of occupation. they didn't ASK us to invade them, they didn't ASK us to take over the country, so let's stop using language that implies that the iraqi people are somehow shirking their responsibilities.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 06:04 PM
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1. Isn't the alternative for us to stay "involved" for a while?
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 06:06 PM
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3. The alternative is that it's an illegal occupation of a sovereign nation.
NGU.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 06:07 PM
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4. you missed the point, completely.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 06:05 PM
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2. How dare they not recover faster after we destroy their entire infrastructure and government...
... after we pass The Bremmer Laws saying that only American corporations can get contracts to rebuild their country!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 06:09 PM
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5. I think it is directed more at Iraqi POLITICIANS who fear taking control without
the US being there to back them. While it is understandable, that reluctance plays right into Bush's plans for a more permanent presence.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 06:14 PM
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9. it seems to include all the iraqis. and the point is, the iraqis didn't invite us, so I am
wsick to death of the pols, or the media, etc, telling them what they SHOULD be doing, the benchmarks they are supposed to be meeting, etc.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 06:09 PM
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6. Better tell Hillary
She said this very thing at Take Back America in June.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 06:12 PM
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7. you did notice I included the dems, correct?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 10:37 PM
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12. Yes I noticed
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 06:13 PM
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8. talk to Murtha
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07333/837824-100.stm
"I think the 'surge' is working," the Democrat said in a videoconference from his Johnstown office, describing the president's decision to commit more than 20,000 additional combat troops this year. But the Iraqis "have got to take care of themselves."
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 06:15 PM
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10. you did notice I included the dems, correct?
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Think82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 06:16 PM
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11. Biden's federal plan is the ONLY option that can work in the near-term.
Article 1 of the Iraqi Constitution: "We are a de-centralized federal system"

www.planforiraq.com
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 12:56 AM
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13. We bombed them for 10 years, occupied them for 4, and killed 1 out of every 24 of them
they have no electricity, potable water, or roads. How the fuck can they stand up?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 01:01 AM
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14. how dare they not clean up our mess!
why, i have a right mind to take their oil without and sort of kickbacks.

first recommend.
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