Edwards advisors: Deal with Kucinich hurt them more than helped in 2004

Herman Munster

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Tue Jan-01-08 06:57 PM
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Edwards advisors: Deal with Kucinich hurt them more than helped in 2004

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/01/

Note: Last cycle, the Edwards and Kucinich campaigns agreed to tell their supporters to join each other's preference groups if one or the other didn't make "threshold." Edwards advisers now believe that the deal hurt them more than it helped them.

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Debi

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Tue Jan-01-08 06:59 PM
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1. Yeah, comming in second instead of fourth SUCKED!

:eyes:

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zulchzulu

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Tue Jan-01-08 07:07 PM
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5. Precisely!

I was an observer at a caucus in 2004 in Des Moines and the 7 Kucinich people who then went to Edwards helped him come in second over Gephardt. Kucinich caucus goers HELPED Edwards.

This recent complaint from the Edwards camp regarding Kucinich "not helping" is sour grapes at best.

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Debi

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Tue Jan-01-08 07:22 PM
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8. Did Edwards make that comment? I thought the OP did w/out attribution n/t

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Kahuna

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Tue Jan-01-08 07:11 PM
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6. I know, right?

:crazy:

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jefferson_dem

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Tue Jan-01-08 07:01 PM
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2. They lie.

Edited on Tue Jan-01-08 07:02 PM by jefferson_dem

Here's a clue. Look at the Entrance Poll numbers for Edwards and Kucinich. Then look at the final results. See a trend?

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IndyOp

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Tue Jan-01-08 07:58 PM
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15. Edwards was in 2nd place in the entrance poll & 2nd place in the results.

So the Edwards-Kucinich deal had no effect on Edwards' standing.

Interesting. Thank you.

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jefferson_dem

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Tue Jan-01-08 08:31 PM
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18. Going in, Edwards was nine points behind Kerry. Coming out he was six points behind.

Edited on Tue Jan-01-08 08:33 PM by jefferson_dem

The difference there (three points) is rougly identical to the difference in DK's support going in and coming out.

Hmmm...

The final ordering of the candidates was unchanged... True that.

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IndyOp

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Tue Jan-01-08 09:17 PM
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20. I see what you are saying. Edwards went from 26 to 31.8 -

Edited on Tue Jan-01-08 09:17 PM by IndyOp

from entrance poll to results - so he had to pick up delegates from Kucinich and Dean and Gephardt and "other" to pick up those 5.8 percentage points.

Kucinich might account for 2.3. Dean dropped by 2. Gephardt by 0.6. "Other" dropped by 1.

In any case - I found that Edwards' aides made the statement about not wanting to make a deal with Kucinich before the Obama-Kucinich pact was announced today...

In A Reason For Edwards's Confidence: The Second Choicers posted by Marc Ambinder today at 11:30 a.m. -- he posted the same statement from Edwards aides -- well before the Kucinich-Obama deal was announced this afternoon.

BTW: Edwards aides say they haven�t made any pre-emptive deals with any other campaigns to share support if a candidate fails to be viable in a particular precinct. In 2004, deals were made with Dennis Kucinich�s campaign, but aides say that, for various reasons, the deals may have hurt Edwards in certain very liberal precincts. Edwards caucus precinct captains will be equipped with specific arguments to make for supporters of different candidates. Biden supporters, as an example, would be targeted differently than Dodd supporters.

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spooky3

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Tue Jan-01-08 07:03 PM
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3. There is no quoting of Edwards or his advisors.

This appears to be an opinion of the blogger, but he is reporting it as if it were a fact.

Sic Judge Judy on him! Hearsay isn't evidence.

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Adelante

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Tue Jan-01-08 07:04 PM
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4. Such grace and dignity, so suave, and kind-hearted, too!

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maximusveritas

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Tue Jan-01-08 07:14 PM
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7. There is no trading of supporters this time; it's just Kucinich sending them to Obama

All Obama did in return was help get Kucinich into the debates.

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Debi

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Tue Jan-01-08 07:24 PM
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9. Is Kucinich going to be at the New Hampshire debate?

Did Obama get him a ticket?

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sniffa

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Tue Jan-01-08 07:29 PM
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12. i appreciate your input on these threads Debi

seriously, you've educated myself (and countless others i'm sure) on the Iowa caucuses, and it's really needed here among all the crap. :loveya:

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Debi

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Tue Jan-01-08 07:47 PM
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13. I wish Kucinich would have put more effort into Iowa.

I enjoyed seeing him and spending time w/his supporters in 2004 and very much like his staff member here in 2008. His voice was very muched missed this cycle. If Obama offered to do something for Kucinich in return for 'second choice' support I disagree with that, Obama has no control over the MSM and any promise about assistance in getting into debates is a false one. If I'm way off and wrong about the give-take please tell me. I hate being wrong x(

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no name no slogan

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Tue Jan-01-08 08:04 PM
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16. Seconded

Debi's posts are some of the most informative and worthwhile on this entire board. Plus she's from Iowa, so we're practically neighbors. Yay Debi!

:thumbsup:

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maximusveritas

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Tue Jan-01-08 07:52 PM
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14. All Obama can do is advocate it publicly

which is what he did. That's probably all Dennis asked of him. I'm not sure where you got the idea that Obama promised to get him in.

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DemKR

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Tue Jan-01-08 09:17 PM
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21. From Edwards peoples lips to Gods ears lol

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Honeycombe8

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Tue Jan-01-08 07:26 PM
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10. Possibly true. I'm not sure if a DK endorsement is a good thing. nt

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FrenchieCat

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Tue Jan-01-08 09:18 PM
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22. Yes.....

soooo much worse than a Nader blessing! :eyes:

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sniffa

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Tue Jan-01-08 07:27 PM
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11. des-per-ation

H-I-L-L-A-R-Y

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IndyOp

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Tue Jan-01-08 08:05 PM
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17. Ambinder posted the same statement from Edwards' advisers before the Obama-Kucinich announcement

In A Reason For Edwards's Confidence: The Second Choicers posted by Marc Ambinder today at 11:30 a.m. -- he posted the same statement from Edwards aides -- well before the Kucinich-Obama deal was announced.

BTW: Edwards aides say they haven�t made any pre-emptive deals with any other campaigns to share support if a candidate fails to be viable in a particular precinct. In 2004, deals were made with Dennis Kucinich�s campaign, but aides say that, for various reasons, the deals may have hurt Edwards in certain very liberal precincts. Edwards caucus precinct captains will be equipped with specific arguments to make for supporters of different candidates. Biden supporters, as an example, would be targeted differently than Dodd supporters.

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DemKR

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Tue Jan-01-08 08:31 PM
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19. awesome lol

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surfermaw

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Tue Jan-01-08 09:24 PM
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23. Run John Run

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