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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:19 PM
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Why women undermine Hillary Clinton
Today in Women's eNews, former Planned Parenthood head and renowned feminist Gloria Feldt talks about why women have a hard time accepting that Hillary Clinton could actually BE president. Feldt says this hurts the ultimate goal of gender neutrality in politics- and basically asks women to summon their courage and get on with it. It's kind of the like famous Groucho Marx line: I wouldn't join any club that would accept me as a member.

1) 'Not Ready for One of Us' Fear: our society is just not ready for a female president, so why bother?

2) 'I Love Hillary BUT' she carries Bill's baggage she's polarizing. Older women, Hillary's peers, worry that if Clinton loses, they lose--that it will set back their accomplishments for women; they are clearly wary of that risk.

3) Media Fears or, as Feldt writes, the Maureen Dowd effect. In a stunning display of sexist language, The New York Times columnist last December called a tiff between Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Rep. Jane Harman a "catfight." About Clinton, Dowd wrote that as first lady she "showed off a long parade of unflattering outfits and unnervingly changing hairdos" and that when Clinton "expressed outrage about Iraq," she "ended up sounding like a mother whose teen-age son has not cleaned up his room."
I call it the mean mommy effect.

4) Fear of Identification with Imperfection Fourth is the Arianna Huffington paradox: women are toughest on other women.

Leading women like Huffington can reserve fiercest vitriol for the candidate of her own gender and her own party.

It's called projective identification in psychology: we project onto others our worst fears about ourselves. National leaders, like celebrities, are prime candidates for this because we imbue so much into them. Their faults are our faults.


http://www.blogher.com/node/16473
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:21 PM
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1. OMG! hill's sTalking Head on MSNBC
just made a complete fool of himself.

She is not only the most experienced, with 35 yrs of experience, she is always the agent of change - she has 35 yrs of CHANGE. The new campaign meme.

what a tool. what a stupid position to concoct.

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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:21 PM
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2. This women doesn't care for Hillary because she's pro-war
and has voted for the invasion of Iraq every time it has come up for a vote.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:25 PM
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11. er, it only came up once.
and like three others in the race, she voted for the IWR. But calling her pro-war is absurd.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:29 PM
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15. What about all the spending she's approved
and the Kyl Lieberman nonsense
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:32 PM
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19. Who do you support At least it's not Obama because I noted the Kyl Lieberman point.
He didn't even bother to vote on that.

Thanks!
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 06:31 PM
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42. Kucinich then Edwards
like 3 of the four voters in my house
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:45 AM
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57. Kucinich then Edwards
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:39 PM
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25. no, not really all that absurd, actually.
Several candidates, including CLinton are clearly trying to appear "strong on defense" and there is the matter of her votes for IWR and Kyl-Lieberman.
You can dismiss those if you like, but I think you're straining at a gnat to swallow the camel if you do.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:43 PM
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27. there were no multiple votes IWR unless you count the amendments
and in that case, Edwards voted in exactly the same way. I do agree with you that she is trying to appear strong on defense, and the K/L, despite the fact that it's toothless, was a terrible, pandering vote.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:59 PM
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32. right, edwards voted the same
but the thread was about clinton, and i was responding to that topic.

the only one running that didn't vote for it is Kucinich.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 06:32 PM
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43. I believe Edwards now admits he was wrong nt
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 06:03 PM
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35. A woman candidate HAS to appear strong on defense.
It's completely disingenuous to insist that she doesn't. My objection was that she put her ambition over her country. But then, I'll wait a long time to find a candidate who doesn't, so why am I pissing on her?
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 06:04 PM
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37. I don't care. I am anti-war so any candidate that pulls that crap
doesn't impress me, regardless of gender. I've called Obama to task for similar.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 06:33 PM
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44. Then America is ready for a woman president
if a canidate has to play that kind of game I don't want them in my white house
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:28 PM
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12. That, and NAFTA....and a few other things like:


It's juvenile and simplistic thinking to think that "women" don't support Hillary because she (or they) are women.

Bullshit.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:30 PM
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Thanks for the
facts on hillary.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:00 AM
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60. but the average woman doesn't look at those graphs. they just know they "dont like her".
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:13 AM
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68. Holy shit.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:24 AM
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75. if you think this board is the average voter, i don't know what to say.
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 11:30 AM by annie1
and that wasn't a comment of graphs and women, i'm talking about the depth of knowledge of the issues.
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:33 AM
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77. I have NO allusions about that.
But I find your view of the "average" woman voter incredibly lacking.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:28 PM
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56. You see-- you just repeat lies as if fact. Clinton is not pro war
Edited on Wed Jan-02-08 10:29 PM by Evergreen Emerald
I swear to God when I hear that statement--that is so completely false I just want to scream. How is it that you can possibly say that? What the hell could you possibly base that FALSE statement on? Superficial reading of distortions / believing the propaganda that is spewed

Backwards and in High Heels.

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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:21 PM
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3. Women have always undermined other women, much like blacks undermine....
other blacks.

Btw, I'm a woman and black so I can type on this with somewhat of an authority
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:14 AM
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69. 2nd. and ditto.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:22 PM
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4. I find it rather insulting that disagreement with Clinton's views
on the Middle East and her health care plans weren't also cited as reasons women are less than thrilled with her.

I guess we really are just silly, shallow little creatures.

:sarcasm:
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:30 PM
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16. That's the implication of theories like this and it IS INSULTING (n/t)
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:38 PM
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24. I wish I could rec that. n/t.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 06:00 PM
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33. exactly why I loathe the gender card used a cattle prod to support Hillary
it presumes women are mindless little things that will forget their politics to support ANY woman.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 06:05 PM
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38. Funny, I thought it was saying exactly the opposite.
I guess some women look beyond the sexism and poisonously unflattering descriptions and see the actual person, and some buy the crap and swallow it like tasty bonbons. Which are you, again?
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 06:09 PM
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40. I was agreeing with Warpy
not sure who you meant to be talking to.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:03 PM
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51. But it's more emotional than mere disagreement -- it's often downright irrational.
Disagreement, fine. But a) there's a fine line of difference, if any, between Clinton, Obama, and Edwards on most policy positions and proposals; and b) the yardstick seems totally different for her, and the criticism is over-the-top outrage and hyperbole -- "She's a WARMONGER!" "She's ARROGANT!" "She thinks she's a QUEEN awaiting CORONATION!" "She CACKLES!" "She's a NEO-CON BUSHLITE CORPORATIST!" etc... I don't hear those things about the other candidates who essentially share her positions.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:22 PM
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55. so..you're calling women who don't support Clinton irrational?
why not just say they're being menstrual?

:sarcasm:
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:29 AM
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76. Oh, that's a reach.
I think you understood what I said: that some of the criticism (from men and women, btw) can reach the point of irrational -- not based on fact or reason.

Yes, people of both genders are capable of being irrational.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:02 PM
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79. your first false assumption is that anyone who opposes clinton is irrational
and it goes from there.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 06:33 PM
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80. Wrong.
It's OFTEN downright irrational.

I think you're smarter than this.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:15 AM
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71. Totally. there's often a little bit extra in there for her. Not by all, but often.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:06 PM
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52. Kicking for your response. Wish I could recommend it too, Warpy. nt
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:06 AM
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63. That whole "women must support other women" is actually a RW talking point
I've heard it used in local and state races when the Republicanites run a dreadful woman against a Democratic man.

"Nya-nya-nya. I thought Democrats were for women in politics," they sneer.

That's why the whole "Women should vote for Hillary" notion only makes me less inclined to vote for her. At the beginning of the primary season, I was willing to consider her, but by now, this insistence that anyone who doesn't support her is sexist, combined with the unrelenting snarkiness of her advocates on DU, have completely turned me off.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:07 PM
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78. I've pretty much tuned her supporters out. However
if she's the nominee, I'll vote for her on the basis of her record in the Senate. You can find a good rundown at http://progressivepunch.yvod.com/ as well as rundowns of her opponents currently serving in Congress.

I just disagree with her quite vehemently on two major issues and that makes her one of my two least favorite candidates, and I resent the implication that I'm against her because of some sort of silly womanish competition fantasy.

/rant off
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Madam Mossfern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:22 PM
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5. Or...How about
I think another candidate is better qualified.
Just sayin'.:eyes:
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:23 PM
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6. Or perhaps we dont like her politics?
Impossible! :eyes:
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:24 PM
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7. And, like John Edwards she voted for the war. nm
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:24 PM
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8. so now, WOMEN are misogynist if they don't support Hillary?
wow, you guys have run out of levels to stoop to, IMHO.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:30 PM
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18. Poor women, they're just too dumb to know how to vote
yes, :sarcasm:

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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:25 PM
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9. Talk about a broad brush! I don't have a hard time believing Hillary could BE
president, I just want Biden to be my president. Sheesh.
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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:25 PM
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10. I guess I must be weird, but I don't really care if a candidate is
male or female, black, white, or brown, rich or poor, gay or straight. I just care how they vote and where they stand on the issues that are most important to me. That is why I will not be voting for Clinton.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:28 PM
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13. Hillary is a lady's lady. That's why almost all women admire her, except on DU of course
She's intelligent, ambitious, feminine, strong, sympathetic, empathetic, inspiring, peace-loving, and presidential.

Oh, and I forgot one. Dam she's pretty. :smoke:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 06:41 PM
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46. pal, you've been hanging out downtown at the railway station haven't you!
your jacket smells like the 60's man :hi:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:29 PM
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14. hillary's a warmonger so she can
look "tough" and for all I know..she must be okay with Soldiers dying for a misbegotten War On Iraq and hundreds of thousands dying for her political expediency. That makes hillary lower than dirt in my book and I don't care if this person is a man or a woman..they're disgusting.

I could get behind a woman for prez like Jan Schakowsky but hillary is too toughened and dried out from her beefing up by mark penn.

http://www.house.gov/schakowsky/iraq.shtml
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:34 PM
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21. Yeah right. Nice try. You're just extremely jealous of her. HIllary is the real peace candidate. nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:36 PM
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22. Right on cue...the hillary surrogate
responds with typical bullshit.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:37 PM
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"the real peace candidate"? no, that would be kucinich.
hIllary and peace, not so much.

or are you forgetting Kyl-lieberman and the IWR? oh, I bet you WOULD like to forget those....
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:45 PM
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28. True, I can't deny that. But Hillary is the only peace candidate who pledge to end the war next Jan
That's her pledge, to end the war upon taking the oath next January 20th.

Goddess of Peace, dam she's pretty.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:58 PM
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31. "goddess of peace"? you are delusional, IMHO
and I wouldn't care what she looked like, because I'm not a sexist, as long as I approved of her policies, which I don't.

and I think you're forgetting she pledged to keep a continued presence until 2012, as did Obama.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 06:56 PM
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48. So enabling war makes you a peace candidate? Wow, who knew?!
Under this logic, Alan Keyes must be the Planned Parenthood candidate.
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 08:57 PM
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54. LOL!
Ron Paul is the NAACP candidate!
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:30 PM
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17. Why aren't some men voting for Edwards?
Is it because he's a man?
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 06:02 PM
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34. Bwah! Good one. Shows how silly such "reasoning" is.
THANKS. Hehee!
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:33 PM
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20. Actually, it's freudian - a "why did you hate your mother" thing.
Powerful women get this all the time, and not just from other women. Men have this "hate your mother" problem too.

Think about it. I ask you, any of you with that anti-feminine feeling: why did you hate your mother?
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:37 PM
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23. Oh, yeah. Nothing to do with her crap politics...
What-the-fuck-ever!

:eyes:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:42 PM
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26. Well, here's one woman who respects and admires Hillary.
My chest fills with pride and my heart sings with joy at the prospect of Hillary becoming president in 2008.



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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:53 PM
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30. Well said Becool n/t
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:47 PM
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29. Maybe true of people who don't follow politics. Those of us who do
have more informed opinions, at least that's my take.

I don't like Hillary's corporate ties, her hawkish posturing, her "bipartisan" talk, or
her healthcare proposal. If Barbara Boxer was running, she'd have my vote.
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 06:03 PM
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36. .
Iraq War

Kyl-Lieberman

Mark Penn

Monsanto

Timbaland

Wolfson

PhRMA

astro-turfing

Glover Park Group

Rupert Murdoch

Death penalty

Campaign Finance Reform

student voter disenfranchisement

her ability to rally Republicans to vote against her

more of the same DLC crap

Children's Defense Fund

Chris Lehane

Cluster bombs amendment vote

Marriage as a career advancement opportunity

Pfizer (see PhRMA)

"I come to this decision from the perspective of a Senator from New York who has seen all too closely the consequences of last year's terrible attacks on our nation." - Hillary Clinton voting to give Bush authority to attack Al Qaeda in Iraq. 10/10/02

"We are the President."
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 06:08 PM
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39. Silly Girl!
Political opinions are for men! Didnt you read the OP? :sarcasm:
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 06:22 PM
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41. My bad.
I really should know better by now! :+
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 06:36 PM
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45. Note that the whole article is based on a false premise. Anti-Clinton people love to do this.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 06:54 PM
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47. Terry McAuliffe, Clinton’s campaign chairman - that's enough
Terry was responsible for the last two failed Democratic runs for the White House and Hillary will be his trifecta.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 06:59 PM
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49. Utter bullshit.
If you push her platform and record aside, push aside the fact that she won't take a stand on anything, push aside the DLC connection, and all of the other problems, and you ask me to judge her ONLY as one woman to another, on a PERSONAL, feminine basis,

I would tell you that I think integrity, honesty, and trustworthiness are worth fighting for. I think self-respect is worth fighting for. I think women that have cheating, philandering husbands might try to heal and save a marriage, although I know how hard that sort of broken trust is to heal. They might try anyway, out of love or passion or commitment. Once. Women who allow it more than once, over a long period of time, without cutting the cheater off and sending him on his way are not to be trusted with doing the same to corrupt politics and politicians. From my feminine perspective, of course.

That's if you asked me to respond as a WOMAN.

The other drawbacks are enough without bringing that mess into the mix, though.

For the record: I don't give a flying fuck if you, or anyone, likes, or agrees, with my take on Clinton. It's my take, and it's just as valid as anyone else's.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:01 PM
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50. I Think That's All True :(
Edited on Wed Jan-02-08 07:03 PM by Crisco
It's like how young women get convinced to say things like, "I'm not a feminist and never will be ..."

And Terry McAuliffe is still her campaign chair ... which means I'm not voting for her February 5.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 08:23 PM
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53. This woman doesn't want another dynastic President
I like Hillary Clinton as a Senator. I think that she's done a good job for the people of New York, from what I can see as an outside observer. I'm happy that a woman is the front-runner for the Presidency. Really, I am.

However, I'm tired of dynastic Presidencies. I want change. I don't want a rehash of all of Bill's policies and cronies. I don't want the press to bring up all of the old scandals. It's so five-minutes-ago. I also dislike her faithiness - which is my problem with Obama as well. I also don't like the nasty tone of her campaign so far.

I'm honestly trying to look at this as "who can best restore the Constitution and unite all Americans behind them?" I do not see Hillary as someone who will unite both Dems and Reps behind her. There's too many people that hate her. Obama could probably do it, since he's running to the right of the rest of the field. Edwards is fighting for the little guy, but he doesn't have that much experience in the foreign arena. Richardson, Biden, Dodd? They're all well-qualified. Maybe not as charismatic as the Big Three, therefore they don't get as much play.

So, like it or not, I'm voting for a white man. Or more likely, a half-Hispanic man. So sue me.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:56 AM
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58. Maybe some women just don't like her. eom
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:59 AM
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59. The amount of hatred of women towards hillary is pathetic and disgusting...
it saddens me. and the fact that many have no idea it's because she's a woman who does not conform to their schemata makes me sad, b/c it can never change unless they realize that that's what it is. really really sad.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:04 AM
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61. This is even more insulting than the OP.
You maintain that women dont like Hillary just because shes a woman AND that we're too stupid to know better? You've got to be fucking kidding me.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:06 AM
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64. i should qualify. women in general. not so much here b/c you guys...
are usually to the left of here. but a lot of woman online, wherever, just name call her, and say they hate her and she's a bitch, and that type of shit.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:08 AM
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66. oh I see.
That makes more sense. Sorry 'bout jumping down your throat! :hug:
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:09 AM
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67. no problem, i see how my post came off. : )
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:15 AM
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70. And women don't
worry their pretty li'l heads about graphs or anything either.

Apparently, we are not allowed to hold opinions contrary to the Borg or we are traitors to our gender.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:17 AM
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72. wow. um, the average person does not get as into Hil's backings...
as here, that is all i was saying. gezus.
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crawfish Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:05 AM
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62. Perhaps it's because...
Politically speaking, she's no different than a man. In fact, her policies are farther from feminine ideals than her competitors.

The truth is: if she were a man with the same policies and voting record, NOBODY here would support her. America is ready for a woman president; but not THIS woman.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:08 AM
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65. i should have qualified that and said...
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 11:09 AM by annie1
people who are in line with her politics. b/c here i find people are left of her, so it makes sense to want nothing to do with her politics.

but i just find i hear a lot of woman in general use the word "hate" next to "hillary" a lot, and with very little reason, don't you ever find that?
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crawfish Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:17 AM
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73. Well...some do, I'm sure.
But plenty have good reasons to dislike her.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:20 AM
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74. For sure. Many. But surely you notice, even just going online in other places...
any blog or news place where there are comments, do you notice the intense emotional dislike? and she's not even their policy maker! it's a little weird.
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