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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:57 AM
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The Closing Argument For John Edwards
I'm too tired to write one myself (sorry, John), but here's a great outline of why I'm supporting Edwards.

The Closing Argument For John Edwards

by Miles Mogulescu


To Democratic caucus-goers in Iowa: For the past 9 months, the mainstream media has tried to turn the race for the Democratic Presidential nomination into a two-person race between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, although not a single voter has cast a ballot.

Tonight, you have the ability to force the media to change their story by voting for John Edwards.

It is not surprising that the mainstream media should try to prematurely shut Edwards out of the race, because he is the one leading Democrat who truly challenges the political dominance of corporate America. And after all, the mainstream media, largely controlled by horizontally and vertically integrated corporations, is but one arm of corporate America with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo in Washington. Edwards challenges that status quo.

Hillary Clinton is intimately tied in to corporate America. She has received more campaign contributions from pharmaceutical makers, commercial banks, Wall Street investment houses, and the real estate sector than any other candidate, Democratic or Republican. Her politics of triangulation plays progressivism off against conservatism to effect small-bore change that doesn't challenge the powerful special interests or the way that Washington does business. The very premise of her campaign is that she can work the present Washington system better than her opponents, not that she will change the way Washington does business. Hillary won't promise to withdraw all American comat troops from Iraq before 2012, voted for the Kyle-Lieberman Iran resolution encouraging the aggressive militaristic stance of the Bush Administration, and calls for increasing the size of the Army by 100,000, thus taking money away from pressing domestic needs.

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Obama can be inspiring in speaking about change. But his calls for change are largely symbolic and lack substance. Obama has raised almost as much money from Wall Street investment bankers as has Clinton. As New York magazine has reported, the difference between Hillary's Wall Street backers and Obama's Wall Street backers is largely generational with investment bankers in their fifties and sixties supporting Clinton and those in their forties supporting Obama.

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John Edwards responds that "some people argue that we're going to sit at the table with these people and they're going to voluntarily give their power away. I think it's a complete fantasy; it will never happen." If Obama thinks the way to bring change to Washington is for a bunch of insiders to sit around the table with the corporate special interests, he is dreaming. These special interests are all about using their money and power to manipulate the government to increase their bottom lines. Insurance companies and drug companies are not interested in universal health care for all Americans. Big energy companies are not interested in developing alternative fuels, capping greenhouse gases, or ending America's reliance on oil. Hedge fund managers are not interested in having their billion dollar incomes taxed at a marginal rate of 28% like the wage income of the companies they invest in, instead of at the special rate of 15%. Edwards will use the bully pulpit of the Presidency to mobilize the American people to take on these special interests in the name of the public good. He is the most progressive major party candidate since Bobby Kennedy, perhaps since Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

More at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/the-closing-argument-for-_b_79413.html



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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:03 AM
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1. Article about investment bankers giving money to HRC and BO, but ignores Edwards' hedge fund ties.nm
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:16 AM
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2. Apples and Oranges
Edwards is not going after bribes - er - contributions from the financial sector in the same way that Hillary and Obama are.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:37 AM
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3. D'oh! One...more...rec
Let's see if we can fill the GP with nothing but Edwards posts. :D
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:39 AM
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4. R&K!!!
:kick:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:40 AM
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5. Hey Nutmegger! Thanks!
:pals:
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 02:10 AM
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8. No problem!!!
Here's another :kick:!
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:50 AM
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6. Why hasn't he actually given back the Lobbyist money?
John Edwards has claimed he raised 0 from lobbyists.

However, reality is that he has 18,900 in his pockets

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?cycle=2008

If opensecrets could find it, why couldn't John?
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:51 AM
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7. YES! This is very well written and covers much of my own sentiments exactly....
...THANK YOU. I've contended all along myself that the corprat connection is why the lamestream media ignores Edwards. And it JUST ANOTHER reason for me to SUPPORT HIM - because he will challenge that and it NEEDS to be challenged and brought back into balance in this country.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 04:30 AM
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9. K&R. (nt)
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 04:35 AM
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10. Percentage wise, more of Edwards' funds come from special
interest groups than either Obama's or Clinton's. In fact, with eight million plus from trial lawyers, almost a third of the money he's raised comes from a special interest group.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 06:03 AM
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12. There's special and then there's special
I hear a few of those evil unions also support him. :scared:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 06:14 AM
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13. I knew you'd say exactly that.
I delight in hypocrisy. it makes my heart sing. And percentage wise the amount JE's taken from the healthcare industry is pretty hefty too. Let's see you 'splain that away, lucy.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 06:25 AM
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14. Once again, you're using words as bogeymen
There's a difference between getting support from the "healthcare industry" and taking money from lobbyists for health insurance and big pharma. Every candidate needs to get some corporate support (see Sutton, Willie, subheading "Banks"), but Edwards is making a statement about where he draws the line and why.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 06:41 AM
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15. No one's supporters are quite
so nimble at making excuses as JE's. He's no different than the others. Certainly he's no more ethical.
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weeve Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 05:31 AM
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11. Like Bill Clinton before them ...
... I fear both Hillary and Obama would negotiate away the soul of the Democratic Party. John wouldn't. He'd start negotiating from the far left ( assuming he'd even need to in the first place ), and then likely end up somewhere around middle-left. Clinton and Obama have and likely will choose their starting point in the middle of the road, and then compromise to the right, leaving us with middling conservative solutions. ( Think Bill's NAFTA, Welfare, and many other conservative/corporate policies that were enacted.) I want someone who will have their starting point from the populist left, and only then if necessary compromise towards the middle. Don't we finally deserve that here in this country ?
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:52 AM
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16. There are three big questions regarding Edwards.
1. Do you believe what he says?

2. Can he win?

3. Without a majority in Congress who agree with him, can he really get any of this done anyway?


Edwards is so diametrically different than he was when he actually had to vote on stuff, it is really hard to judge his sincerity. Bankruptcy bill, IWR, and many others. His crude dismissal of PACs and lobbyists shows little ability make the distinction that he really wants to make- that it's corporate PACs that he dislikes. But he throws the baby out with the bathwater by also damaging the voices of many groups of citizens who have organized themselves like the ACLU and environmental groups.

Edwards has taken a big risk by accepting public funding. He will most certainly be outspent by a lot if he makes it to the general. That has to be a consideration for thoughtful voters.

Edwards supporters seem to expect a revolution, but revolutions almost never happen from within. They rise from outside sources who gather enough strength the challenge the status quo. Trying to revolutionize the system from within is a recipe for gridlock. There are many, many powerful forces that will resist such an effort. Progress is more likely, through this path, from someone who can marshal support for incremental change and actually get something done.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 06:22 PM
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17. Here are three big answers
1. Do you believe what he says?

More specifically, I believe in what he says. His platform is easily the most progressive of the candidates, and I'm including Kucinich in that. Edwards is the most labor-friendly, the most anti-corporate and he's quickly becoming one of the best anti-war candidates.

I'm sure you're now going to point out some way in which his actions don't match his statements, so I'll address that now: It really doesn't matter that much to me. What counts is what he brings to the debate and how he's currently standing up for real progressive values.


2. Can he win?

Easily. He consistently polls best against the leading Repugs. His progressive message will bring many new voters to the process, in addition to heading off any third-party challenge.

I'm not sure how the public financing will pan out, but I think it will be more of an issue in the primaries than in the general. Any Rethug candidate is going to look like a joke against Edwards, and the newly-built progressive infrastructure will help him out quite a bit.


3. Without a majority in Congress who agree with him, can he really get any of this done anyway?

Luckily, we're talking about Democrats here. All a president needs is a 24%-or-higher approval rating and they'll be putty in his hands.


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