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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:00 PM
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Something to think about ie: Republicans caucusing as Democrats
Here is something we must consider as the MSM tells us that so many republicons are crossing the line to caucus as Democrats:
It is an opportunity for these people to effect the outcome of the Democratic Caucus in Iowa and help decide who they are going to campaign against in the fall.
It is a tool that has been used in the past in Iowa, Democrats have used it as well. They will fore go their own primary or caucus to effect the outcome of the opposite party. My father in Iowa has related to me the use of this in the past because they wanted to make sure a their candidate was running against a particular candidate.
They can do this and then next month go back to the election board and change their party affiliation.



IMO: I think that the republicons want to see Clinton win Iowa maybe even Obama because they think that either the woman or black factor will make it easier for the repulicon candidate to take the election in November.

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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:02 PM
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1. I am very worried about this. I don't stand for what Republicans believe in.
I don't want them coming near our caucuses.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:04 PM
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4. "I don't want them coming near our caucuses."
That's exactly how I feel.
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midlife_mo_Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:02 PM
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2. As someone else already pointed out
the repub race is very close. Normally, people cross over to mess with the other party when the race isn't very tight. Of course, Guiliani candidates might cross over for that reason, but I don't think Iowa has too many of those.
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:03 PM
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3. Republicans who still want a Republican will caucus w/ their own party...
Are you saying they don't care WHO their candidate is???? I'm not buying it.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:52 PM
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17. It would have made sense in 2004 as there was no (R) caucus
but not this year so much.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:07 PM
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5. people on DU were shitting bricks when Repubs crossed over twice to take out Cynthia McKinney...
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 12:08 PM by wyldwolf
... and help Joe Lieberman. Now some here are heralding it. If they are crossing over to help or hurt a Democrat, there is a reason for it (and it ain't because they've "seen the light.")
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:11 PM
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9. I saw the light. Many others can.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:18 PM
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15. so, you were a Republican that saw the light? And you honestly believe...
Obama is doing that in mass numbers with other Republicans? No other agenda? Just new found love for Barack Obama?
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:11 PM
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10. I totally agree. It scares the hell out of me.......
that repukes are crossing over to vote for Sen. Obama.

Sen. Obama has become the latest neocon tool!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:08 PM
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6. If I were a rethug and had to pick from their roster, especially after the
past 7 disastrous years, I'd be looking at the Dems, too. I think many of them have the same concerns we do and are sick of what's been going on.
If they'd do this as a backwards way of supporting their candidate, I'd like to know which rethug nominee inspires them so much.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:08 PM
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7. If I weren't so sure of disaffection among moderate Repukes
I might worry. Also, the expectation is probably small that even the measly 5% who say they will caucus for Democrats in Iowa actually will turn out to do it. In the end some will probably be more concerned with their own party given the tight race they have going. If after all that, some Repukes have the backbone to register Democratic and caucus, I say, welcome to the better party.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:09 PM
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8. This is a hidden flaw in the Iowa caucus. The outcome is determined by so few that it can be gamed.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:13 PM
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11. Interesting, isn't it?
<snip> Here's another post-spin to expect from Clinton if Obama wins on the backs of independent and GOP support: Look for Clinton surrogates to feed the notion that the voice of rank-and-file Democrats is being drowned out by outside influences. The blogs have picked up on this, and despite not being big Clinton fans, one could envision how the campaign could pivot with "We've been in these fights with Democrats in the trenches; it's important for Democrats to have a greater voice" etc.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22476967

;-) I love election years!!
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:14 PM
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12. Well, a whole 1% of them showed up last time - and they didn't have a race on their side
I think the 5% predicted outcome tonight is too high - even 1% is too high.

This year they have a choice (albeit not a good one, but they have one) and they'll want their voices to be heard.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:17 PM
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13. I am not too concerned,
The GOP caucus is just as close and the value prop of switicing over is not terribly compelling.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:18 PM
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14. This has been done before. And it is a shame that
parties can cross over. The republicans have been doing this for years. When they don't want a Democrat to win they cross over and vote for the candidate they know they can beat. AND THIS TIME IT IS OBAMA. He is the only democrat in the field that would assure the republicans a win. All states don't allow this. But we see Iowa is such a jerk water state anything goes. Look at allowing out of state students to register the SAME DAY AND VOTE. And the only reason. So once every four years their state can be the center of attention. Most people don't ever mention Iowa.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:24 PM
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16. What's a shame is that non-Obama supporters used to brag about THEIR
candidate being able to "peel off Republicans" and now that Repubs. ARE supporting someone that you guys don't like, it's suddenly a conspiracy. :eyes: Remember Hillary supporters bragging about how Hillary could get maybe a third of Repub. women?
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