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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:12 PM
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What a remarkable Obama speech.
This is remarkable. Look at that crazy crowd
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:13 PM
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1. Truly brilliant!
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:13 PM
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2. Doesn't do a thing for me.
I'm too cynical and too old.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:15 PM
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5. i'm a little old too. but not cynical. but i just don't feel it. whatever b/c...
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 11:17 PM by annie1
as long as others feel it and put him in the white house and he can put together an admin that will do something, and he can pass bills, that'll be fine. but damn he bores me.
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midlife_mo_Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:33 PM
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25. I guess I'm too old too LOL
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 11:33 PM by midlife_mo_Jo
The man is good looking, he has charisma, the speech was good, he's my second choice, I like him very much, but other than the crowd being incredibly fired up, I just didn't feel much excitement listening to his speech.

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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:37 PM
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26. I have my doubts about him passing bills that I like.
I'm not encouraged by Madeleine Albright in the picture.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:08 AM
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34. At least Madeleine Albright had a sense of the world unlike the
current person who is in her position today. She may not have been perfect but.....geeze we are screwn now...
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:37 AM
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39. I guess I'm not sure that any of the candidates will be able to clean up
after the current asshole.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:09 AM
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36. Pssst: Madeleine Albright isn't in Obama's camp, she's in Hillary's
She was standing right behind Hillary tonight when she gave her speech.

Just so you don't get freaked out for no reason.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:36 AM
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38. Thanks for the correction.
Hillary's not my first choice, either.
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:57 PM
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32. I'm as old as they come and I wept yet again.....
I just don't get it. A person would have to be so hardened not to be moved by that speech.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:09 AM
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35. i'm so soft i cry at shows on tv. i cry when biden talks. but dude...
just doesn't do it for me.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:29 AM
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46. Words mean nothing without actions.
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 07:29 AM by TheWatcher
And Obama has failed to give very many specifics so far.

Perhaps he will in the future.

As a trangsgendered person, I am not thrilled with him for my own reasons.

But Huckabee is the real threat. He should scare the Hell out of EVERYONE.
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:51 AM
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54. Obama has his record to run on. And he will fight for your rights....
...you can count on it.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:16 PM
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I'm cynical and young
Big eye roller speech to me.
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:59 AM
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51. I'm skeptical and old
And thought there just wasn't any there there.

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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:17 PM
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8. He still doesn't do anything for me
and I am not yet 30. Passionate speech, yes. He sounds like a preacher though. Turns me off.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:39 PM
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28. He doesn't even sound like a UCC minister to me.
I haven't heard one with that rhythm. I don't know where he gets his inspiration.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:14 PM
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3. MLK's dream being realized.....with an orator that leads from the bully pulpit!
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 11:14 PM by FrenchieCat
Amazing!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:15 PM
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4. It's chilling
I love how he keeps reminding everyone that the people did this.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:16 PM
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6. And specifically said that it ain't about him.........
Shit...I'm crying again! :) :cry:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:16 PM
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7. He is awesome! This is the moment ... for hope! I cherish that! nt
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:17 PM
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9. This is a "go down in history" speech, no doubt. Bravo...
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jzodda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:18 PM
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10. Its a good speech, epic in scope.
Beats the Huck speech by a whole lot. He's sealing the deal now imo- he said it starts here and I agree. Hillary's speech did not measure up to this. We are witnessing something historic I think here.
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durtee librul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:18 PM
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11. Ok, I know I am going to get flamed here, but I have to say it
Obama is NOT saying anything that Edwards has not already said, and in some cases, a lot better. All I need to hear is the reference to Ronnie Raygun's bridge.....

I am sorry - Obama has made a lot better speeches and he is smart enough to take his own ideas and come up with his own slogans....I still carry his speech at the convention in my daytimer so I know he is capable of much better. Hope he says? Edwards was saying that 4 years ago....find something new Obama. You got my vote if Edwards leaves the race, but you need a new speech writer.

I guess I am in the minority tonight, but his speech is not orignal by far. I'ver heard it all before said by someone else.
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stickernation Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:31 AM
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44. 100% agreed.

Oh man, this is hard hard to say, but I am totally not buying Obama. i am so happy to hear i'm not the only one. he seems so phoney to me and his supporters so self-righteous in their pride at having supported someone who isn't white. i am starting to feel similar vibes when watching Obama speak as I feel when I watch BUSH speak - that same "this guy isn't speaking so much as emanating canned talking points".

i am definitely happy to see tons of new young people getting involved with the Democrats. that is cool. i want to see that middle class tax cut he speaks about - first i heard of it - and i am glad he said he was going to cut the troops out of iraq, although he has previously stated he'd be happy to missile Iran and add 100,000 more troops to Iraq. so if he wins, let's hope Obama supporters snap out of their daze and demand from him the changes he promises in this speech.

obama is not my candidate at all. i almost would rather see clinton win - at least i know who she is and where she comes from, but Obama, he might as well be a Karl Rove plant for all I believe him. let's see if he can change my mind and say something original for once rather than channelling some preacher thing which simply does not work with me (i'm a hindu subgenius and preachers in preaching mode make me sort of nauseous).
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:19 PM
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12. Did absolutely nothing for me...perhaps if he had Donnie McClurkin by his side...
that might have helped a bit?
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:19 PM
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13. That was awesome! I am in tears.
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:20 PM
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14. great speech...fantastic even
good for him...and that crowd is amazing in its diversity, i believe his victory is historic.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:20 PM
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15. It was good. Credit where credit is due.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:20 PM
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16. Great speech
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:21 PM
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17. Sheer Magnificence.
:patriot:
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:21 PM
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18. That speech and others like it from him..
Are big reasons he will win this election. He connects and moves people like No other candidate in this race. I know that pisses some people off.. "you shouldn't elect a candidate because he can give a good speech".. but it's what gets people to vote.

GO OBAMA GO!
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:23 PM
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19. Poetic...I was quite frankly amazed
I don't think I've ever heard such a well-composed victory speech.

Democrats, America, make this man President.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:24 PM
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20. A good summary of what is facing us
Terrorism and global warming, genocide and disease. A promise to get the troops home. A promise for tax breaks for working people. A promise to rejoin the family of nations.

Did Edwards or Clinton even mention Iraq?
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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:01 AM
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33. Reminds me of a Supreme's song
Oh, promises, promises
This is where those promises, promises end
I don't pretend that what was wrong can be right
Every night I sleep now, no more lies
Things that I promised myself fell apart
But I found my heart

Oh, promises, their kind of promises, can just destroy a life
Oh, promises, those kind of promises, take all the joy from life
Oh, promises, promises, my kind of promises
Can lead to joy and hope and love
Yes, love!!

And, why yes, John Edwards did promise those things ... and, more.

He's the only one to call for:

An immediate large-scale withdrawal from Iraq - complete withdrawal in nine to ten months;
Truly UNIVERSAL Health Care;
Eliminate Poverty in ONE generation;
Americans to be patriotic about something other than war and building a new energy economy based on clean renewable energy and energy efficiency;
making college more affordable through College for Everyone.
reversing unfair trade agreements that make corporations rich while stealing from/oppressing middle class Americans;
No torture - restore America's standing in the world by adhering to our principles (restore Habeas Corpus, no to unwarranted wire-tapping, no to immunity for corporations who violate the law, etc);
any other questions?
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:29 PM
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21. I'm old and cynical but he moved me to tears.
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:29 PM
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22. man on fire
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:30 PM
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23. Obama's speech was amazing.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:31 PM
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24. "We are not a collection of Red States or Blue States we are....
the United States of America". "We are one nation, we are one people and our time for change has come".

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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:38 PM
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27. that was my favorite line
makes me tear up :(
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ThePhilosopher04 Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:50 AM
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43. What's he gonna change?
he talks a good game but backs it up with nothing.
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Girlieman Donating Member (399 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:43 AM
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49. I agree
Look at his voting record. Look at his life. He has never done a thing to change anything. He offers a lot of smooth sounding phrases, but I don't see much behind them.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:13 AM
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52. Then why even vote or post here if your so cynical.
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 08:14 AM by Historic NY
What are the other candidates offering, beside lip service.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:40 AM
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53. Obama speech
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:40 PM
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29. Obama; some people know a good thing when they see it, others have problems...such is life
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WillTheGoober Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:45 PM
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30. Beautiful Speech ...
Beautiful.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:53 PM
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31. Historic--will be remembered. He did not disappoint.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:31 AM
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37. As a Hillarite, I have to admit it was a beautiful speech -
Obama has a beautiful instrument in his voice, and he knows how to use it. Was it a little triangulatory, as much of his rhetoric generally is? Well yes, but true triangulation is hard to do: Obama seems to have the knack of placing himself not just between right and left, but also above the two points on either side.

On to New Hampshire; now the fun part REALLY starts (with Obama as the new "Frontrunner" with all the scrutiny the position entails.) Hillary took a knock tonight, but Barack is not yet Monsieur Inevitable. And if Hillary wins New Hampshire, the "Comeback Girl" will be able to reclaim her cloak of inevitability. But congratulations to Obama, and to his supporters --

If by the end of this primary season (only a month to go really) Obama is our putative nominee, I will be happy to vote for him, and I will trust that he can win. I just wish to GOD that he didn't have such a wacky-ass set of names!

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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:02 AM
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41. My favorite post of the night :)
And a great assesment I think. Its going to be an exciting month.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:46 PM
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55. Thank You!
And yes, it will be a great month!
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Califooyah Operative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:58 AM
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40. You could feal the energy through the screen. nt
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ThePhilosopher04 Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:49 AM
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42. What was amazing about it?
I guess if you fall for soaring rhetoric I can see how it tickles your fancy, but what specifics in his message are remarkably different from the rest of the corporate suits?
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stickernation Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:37 AM
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45. the gushing, the gushing

i am also astounded at how such a substance-free pep rally could trigger such ooh's and aah's from so many here.

"FIRED UP! CHANGE! HOPE!"

it sounds like a sham to me. oprah as his big endorsement says it all.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:31 AM
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47. American love to feel good and be told what they want to hear.
He knows how to do that apparently.

What specifically he can really do to help the country?

Well Barack....We're still waiting for those specifics.
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Girlieman Donating Member (399 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:41 AM
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48. 90 percent platitudes
There was more substance to Edward's speech. Hillary's just out of touch with reality.

Of the "big three," Edwards is the only one that even suggests changing the power structure. Obama offers doing the same things differently, while Hillary offers more of the same.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:48 AM
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50. Could you please help me with the substance in Edwards speech....
cause I couldn't find it. I found a lot of complaints. What where the solutions to the complaints (Iraq not even mentioned) that he proposed? Oh yeah.....We will fix it. That's basically all that he said. If I'm wrong, please find these "specifics" that you refer to located in Edwards' speech.

Also, it seemed that Edwards forgot to thank anyone (like the Unions and those who helped him on the ground) and he also forgot to congratulate anyone other than Obama's mantra for change.

In the end, the two microphones in front of him that he kept on adjusting seemed to be as important as the crowd. Funny how folks can hear things totally different, isn't it. Guess that why I support Obama.

Oh yeah...and folks were clapping and chanting through Obama's speech.....not so much through Edwards. Guess that Edwards stump speech (cause many say that's all it was) was too familiar to them to get very excited.
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Girlieman Donating Member (399 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:30 PM
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57. You're confused
I wasn't comparing Edwards' speech to Obama's.

First, I gave my assessment of Obama's speech.

Second, I compared the candidacy of the three leading candidates, without reference to any particular speech any of them might have given at any point in time.

Hope that clears things up for you.

I certainly agree with you, that if you are already tuned into a candidate's "message," then you're much more likely to be pleased listening to that candidate's platitudes.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:50 PM
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56. He gives good speeches.
That doesn't excite me anymore.
When he does something of substance, then it will be noteworthy.
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