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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:18 AM
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the last 10 posts i read just beame really anti clinton. what just happened?...
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 12:26 AM by annie1
now that Obama wins is everyone going to start going after sen. clinton? saying 'hope she loses her senate seat, and is she going to be a racist, and we're glad she's gone, haha she's 3rd'. i get the feeling i oughta log off until the nominee is chosen so you guys can just trash her and i won't have to be read it. i don't understand how a win would make people want to get immediately nasty.

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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:20 AM
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1. The Obama Youth is going after the Old Lady
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:21 AM
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5. it's gonna get like the Chinese Revolution in here. i'm out.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:45 AM
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32. You were fooling yourself if you thought things would change.
Just take a break for a few days then come back and ignore the bastards.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:29 AM
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And they make me dislike him.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:32 AM
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18. i guess the vote isn't about hope, but about getting rid of something else...
and that makes more sense now. that's why republicans and indi's and libs are on the same side. it's just a regime change.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:39 AM
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25. Oh my, I hope you don't vote based on silly things like who "supports" someone online anonymously
scary.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:21 AM
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2. no need to go after hillary.
we're all democrats. obama is my choice, but whoever the nominee is will get my vote and my support.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:22 AM
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6. Hillary hasn't been a Democrat for some time.
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 12:24 AM by dailykoff
Neither has bush-pal Bill and their behavior these last few weeks has been revolting.

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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:42 AM
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29. so what are you going to do if
she is the nominee? will you vote for a republican or not vote at all?
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:46 AM
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34. There's a candidate named Cynthia McKinney
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 12:47 AM by dailykoff
but I won't say I'll vote for her because that would be against DU rules.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:59 AM
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38. OMG.
i guess you think 9/11 was a government conspiracy too.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:11 AM
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41. Let's just say
that's one of the reasons I admire McKinney, but discussing the matter further would also be a violation of DU rules.

However, in case you're interested, here's a link to some information every American should know:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=127965&mesg_id=127965
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:13 AM
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42. And neither has Obama.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:15 AM
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43. Guess that's why he was keynote speaker at the 2004 convention.
The Democratic convention.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:18 AM
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44. That was then, this is now. Now he bashes gays and unions, sneers at Ted Kennedy's age,
trashes the only major newspaper pundit who's solidly Democrat, lies about Social Security being in crisis, and snarks at Paul Wellstone.

Fuck'm.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:19 AM
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45. Right. (n/t)
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:23 AM
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7. then what are people talking about "is she gonna play the race card...
and lets' get rid of them forever, i hope she loses her senate seat' all this fucking garbage.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:26 AM
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12. Nothing sadder than poor winners...
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:29 AM
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15. when you see a thread like that,
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 12:32 AM by sweets
it's better to just ignore it.


i don't have too many posts, but i've been lurking around here for years. i've read a lot of stuff that i like and some that i don't like. i've learned to just stay away from the nasty threads, whether it's about the candidates or the people in the media.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:30 AM
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16. that's what i did for like 5 threads, but every time i opened a new one...
it was the same bullshit.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:34 AM
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20. sometimes it's good to take
a break for a few days.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:35 AM
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23. thanks. ewe, now i don't even want to flip the lever for this guy.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:44 AM
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31. don't let people on a message board
turn you off to another candidate. if we democrats don't stick together we're gonna be in deep shit. we certainly don't want another republican.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:46 AM
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33. i'll pull the lever for scotus.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:21 AM
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3. They'll never give up on Clinton.
It's in their nature. :)
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:21 AM
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4. annie1, Senator Clinton has a core of support here, but not very many of
those who dislike her voted in Iowa tonight.

Iowa Democrats voted in their caucuses in record numbers and an absolutely huge percentage of them did not choose Senator Clinton.

I defend the woman when the Limbaughs and Hannitys try to diss her, but she took a drubbing tonight in Iowa at the hands of our fellow Democrats.

Politics can be very fluid. She may roar right back into the lead. For now, a record number of caucus attendees in Iowa may have changed U.S. electoral history. It may be that the Clinton era is over.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:25 AM
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11. but why do people need to go after her. 'she's not a democrat, she's this...
she's gonna be racist', it's such fucking lame bullshit. what is up with the politics of hope?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:28 AM
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14. Hold to the question. Take the record caucus turnout. Take the
dissatisfaction and despair over 8 years of Bush. Take the two top finishers' percentages.

She lost a significant contest. As mentioned above, she could roar back.

But Iowa Democrats voted her out of inevitable, and just possibly they ended her chances. I believe the next polling out of New Hampshire will show that that state will be a much tougher battle now. \

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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:35 AM
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22. gotcha. i'm naive then. now i can see why i wasn't into him...
the excitement for him wasn't about what his platform is, it's excitment over a regime change type of thing. it's about being *against* her, not nec. being *for* him for some people.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:40 AM
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26. annie1, I pick no fights with you but disagree on Obama. John Kerry
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 01:23 AM by Old Crusoe
asked Barack Obama to give the keynote address at the 2004 convention in Boston.

It was a classic example of a value-added project. What a tremendous speech.

Tonight in Iowa over two-thirds of Iowa Democratic caucus participants rejected Sen. Clinton's candidacy for the White House.

Those are very significant numbers and not an auspicious outcome for the Clinton campaign.

For the third time, I'll assert that she is not out of the race and could roar back. But the climb now is especially steep. There'll be a significant shift, IMO, beginning right now and I don't see the Clinton campaign responding in time to reverse the trend in New Hampshire.

To consider any candidate to be merely an anti-Hillary candidate is to dismiss the dedication and intelligence of that candidate's supporters. We disagree on the results in Iowa this evening, evidently.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:49 AM
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35. but that's...
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 12:50 AM by annie1
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:54 AM
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37. annie1, I'm talking about what I think the columnists and analysts might be
bringing up in the next few days -- that Clinton's third-place finish makes it less easy for her to win the nomination, that Obama and Edwards combined totaled 2/3rds of Iowa caucus participants, that there may be significant shake-ups in the Clinton campaign's head staff, that Vilsack's endorsement and the REGISTER's endorsement didn't sway enough Iowans toward her camp, that an investment of considerable money and staff didn't sway enough votes her way, and that if she wins nomination now she'll have to claw to get it from the ground up and not from the First Lady perch down.

I read DU. I know what you're talking about, but it's not new and it's not confined to Clinton. I've seen Russ Feingold blasted on these boards, and Barbara Boxer, and many others I respect.

The percentages in Iowa are good for Obama. They're not very good for Clinton. And New Hampshire is in 5 days. I think that's the frame of the picture from Iowa in coming days' analysis.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:59 AM
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39. i can handle hrc losing just fine...
i kept saying, if the people want obama, than that is good. but i didn't realize that a good deal of it was just part of this. i was quite happy to sit back and watch our country on the mend, but it's just an ousting. doesn't look like hope to me at all. so instead of watching hope, now i get to watch a bunch of kids revel at a their new leader and tear someone down. just doesn't feel good when it's for reasons i think are so ill. i wrote a while ago that if she did lose, at least i would be happy b/c i wouldn't have to watch all the hate for the next 12 months while people tore her apart. apparently they'll do it whether she wins or loses.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:05 AM
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40. Politics are often intemperate and divisive. Be fair. It's not an arena of
angelic entities. It's an alley fight among muscled brutes.

Senator Clinton takes a hit on these boards, that's true. But as I mentioned, she's not the only one. And she won't be the last one.

You will likely read things about her and others which are diametrically opposite to your own instincts and perceptions, but as I put in my first reply to your post, an overwhelming majority of people who voted for two other Democrats in Iowa tonight are NOT DU registrants.

No matter the tone of DU posts and threads, over 2/3rds of Iowans voted for somebody else tonight. Obama beat my guy. He beat your gal. He had a big win in Iowa this evening and is owed congratulations.

Now we'll see how things go in the Granite State.

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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:53 AM
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36. for some people yes.
to me, there's something "kennedy like" about obama. the first time i saw him speak was at the 2004 convention. i was very moved. i'm not young either.

bush has done so much damage to this country. i think obama, being an african american, born in kenya to a muslim father and a white mother from kansas can reach out to world leaders and repair some of the damage done in the last 7 years.

however, as i said earlier, i will support whoever the candidate is. we all have our favorites. that's why we have primaries.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:23 AM
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8. I'm not going to trash anybody.
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 12:24 AM by calteacherguy
I don't believe in the "politics of hope" just being another empty slogan.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:25 AM
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10. Liar
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:23 AM
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9. Didn't Edwards take a nearly equal drubbing?
How does Edwards parley an 8% loss to Obama into victory in New Hampshire...where he has been polling in the mid-teens...
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:26 AM
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13. are you reading what the graceful winners are writing?
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:41 AM
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27. You haven't been posting at DU
long enough to know how many DUers do not like her. Did you not see the many DU polls showing her at the bottom?

I am sorry you feel bad. But many of us do not want the dynasty to continue. She is also too far right to those on the left.

And for cripe's sake, she wanted her husband to travel the world w/Poppy!
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:30 AM
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17. Hillary is just old school poiltics in a time where the world has changed and her
brand of leadership leaves much~very much to be desired...
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:33 AM
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19. so it's just a bunch of angry people voting for him to get her out...
not actually voting for what 'he' is about at all.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:34 AM
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21. well yeah..haven't you been listening..
He's not the agent of hope..
he's the anti-Hillary...
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:38 AM
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24. i guess i just hate to think like that
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 12:39 AM by annie1
now i get it. thanks.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:41 AM
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28. This may be deleted, but I'm saying it anyway:
One word: TROLLS.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:44 AM
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30. Annie...they have always been nasty. This is just the sameo.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:23 AM
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46. Annie - Auntie Bush, wasn't Obama's speech tonite... inspiring.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:25 AM
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47. It's because they're young and as such are arrogant.
Obama has one win and they already have him crowned president. Hillary Clinton deserves respect and this constant trashing her in a supposedly Democratic board just makes some of us work harder to ensure that she wins the nomination.

Keep up the hate, your guy will need our votes if he were to win the nomination and right now I'd rather eat nails than vote for this man.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:11 PM
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48. wow. that's intense.
you'd rather eat nails than vote for the democratic nominee.
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RoveRage Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:12 PM
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49. Thanks for expressing my sentiments.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:39 PM
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50. and you haven't noticed the large volume of anti-obama posts then?
pot, meet kettle
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