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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:34 AM
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should Hillary fire Mark Penn
i think he hurt her more than anything else. his whole strategy seemed to be about trying to make Obama lose rather than gaining support for Hillary.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:35 AM
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1. Are you a Hillary supporter?
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:37 AM
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4. no, that's why i didn't say too much about this before
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:19 AM
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22. So, really, you want her to keep him in the hope he will harm her.
And your question was completely hypocritical. Or have I misread you?
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:29 AM
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23. he has already hurt her in Iowa
i wanted to see if others agree that Penn has not helped her.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:36 AM
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2. Can she fire Bill?
I think he hurt her more.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:39 AM
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7. i thought her and Bill looked great early today
i think if people just saw them like that they could have done a lot better. if they stopped focusing on Obama and getting nervous over any little thing.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:53 AM
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16. But he said a few things that didn't help
Like that the boys were ganging up on her and such. That he had always disapproved of the Iraq War, which people didn't believe and which reminded them of some of the negatives of the Clinton years (waffling and such). I have no doubt that they look good together and love each other. But sometimes Bill needs to keep his yap shut.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:37 AM
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3. No.
Please. Keep Smarmy Mark, Hillary. Please. Please. Please.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:37 AM
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5. Please keep Mark Penn in the Hillary campaign!
:rofl:

He's doing such a good job!

:rofl:
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:38 AM
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6. Great minds, zulch!
Thanks for your work, bro! You done good! :bounce:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:50 AM
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13. The party in our Motel 6 in Des Moines continues!
I'm laptopping in a corner of the room that is jumpin'! It seems like the whole motel is Obama-partay grooving! It's like Mardi Gras!

I have Audacity Of Hope cued up for the ride home in a couple hours.

We've done well but this train is still gotta go further... a high five to my Gobama brother!

:hi:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:16 AM
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17. congrats! to you guys....
i think you guys took north eastern iowa???

you forgot mandy

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3946380&mesg_id=3946687
Democratic Underground - another one to thank----mandy
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:19 AM
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18. how about posting the numbers in each county
when you get them. i`m really interested how he did out in the west...party on....
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:39 AM
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8. I think she should keep penn, wolfson and keep sending hubby out there
Now if I was a supporter, I'd say fire penn and wolfson and put a sock in bill's mouth!
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:43 AM
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9. I think she should drop out.
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:43 AM
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10. mark penn didn't have much to work with, as much as I dislike him
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:44 AM
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11. Too little, Too Late
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:49 AM
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12. I think she should have never hired him.
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Anouka Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:20 AM
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19. I agree.
But that raises the question of whom she should have hired in the first place.
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:50 AM
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14. she isn't inspiring or an agent of change with or without Penn, but
she should never have picked him. But look at who else is in her camp. its Clinton redux and we don't need this again.

Having said that, she is still better than any repug candidate. I support Edwards and Obama, but could vote vote for her if I was left with no other alternative. I wouldn't stay home to avoid voting for her.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:50 AM
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15. She should have already fired him
That's just my opinion. I think she'll keep him though.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:43 AM
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20. Admit a mistake? Cheap shot aside, it would be terrible for her to make major changes right now
Expect her to be confident and businesslike for the next few days.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:44 AM
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21. No, he brings out what her campaign is about....
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