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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:24 PM
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The Last Few Paragraphs Of A Letter From Michael Moore That I Just Received
While Moore was very happy about the Democratic turn out and the fact that a state as "white" as Iowa gave Obama the win, he DOES have some reservations about his candidacy. Below are the last few paragraphs he wrote, and it's important to note what he says about WHERE Obama money is coming from.

Just thought I would give this REMINDER!
Thank you,

As the only top candidate who was anti-war before the war began, Barack Obama became the vessel through which the people of this Midwestern state were able to say loud and clear: "Bring 'Em Home!" Most pundits won't read the election this way because, well, most pundits merrily led us down the path to war. For them to call this vote tonight a repudiation of the war -- and of Senator Clinton's four years' worth of votes for it -- might require the pundit class to remind their viewers and readers that they share some culpability in starting this war. And, like Hillary, damn few of them have offered us an apology.

With all due respect to Senator Obama's victory, the most important news out of the caucus this evening was the whopping, room-busting turnout of Democrats. 239,000 people showed up to vote Democratic tonight (93% more than in '04, which was a record year), while only 115,000 showed up to vote Republican. And this is a red state! The Republican caucuses looked anemic. The looks on their faces were glum, tired. As the camera followed some of them into their caucus sites, they held their heads down or turned away, sorta like criminals on a perp walk. They know their days of power are over. They know their guy blew it. Their only hope was to vote for a man who has a direct line to heaven. Huckabee is their Hail Mary pass. But don't rule him out. He's got a sense of humor, he's downhome, and he said that if elected, he'd put me on a boat to Cuba. Hey, a free Caribbean vacation!

Bottom line: People have had it. Iowa will go blue (Happy Blue Year, Hawkeyes!). Whomever your candidate is on the Dem side, this was a good night. Get some sleep. The Republicans won't go down without a fight. Look what happened when Kerry tried to play nice. So Barack, you can talk all you want about "let's put the partisanship aside, let's all get along," but the other side has no intention of being anything but the bullies they are. Get your game face on now. And, if you can, tell me why you are now the second largest recipient of health industry payola after Hillary. You now take more money from the people committed to stopping universal health care than any of the Republican candidates.

Despite what your answer may be, I was proud to sit in my living room tonight and see you and your family up on that stage. We became a bit better tonight, and on that I will close by saying, sweet dreams -- and on to that other totally white state of New Hampshire!

Yours,

Michael Moore
MMFlint@aol.com
MichaelMoore.com


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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:25 PM
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1. He'll back Nader again.
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 01:27 PM by The_Casual_Observer
Since Nader is the only one who will really do anything, according to guys like Moore or Hartmann.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:28 PM
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3. Nader is backing Edwards
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:30 PM
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4. After Edwards gives up.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:31 PM
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6. Edwards is NEVER giving up!
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:37 PM
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10. The populist message doesn't resonate with "The people". Even
Moore admits this & has concluded that "the people" believe that there is a chance that they or their child might be a corporate CEO too, so we need to leave the big guys alone, the same goes for taxing the rich.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:46 PM
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11. When Or Where Did Moore Say That?? I May Have Missed It, But I
don't think I read that today!
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:56 PM
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12. He's always saying this. It's his reasoning as to why Americans
essentially vote pro-business.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:35 PM
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16. So Why Did He Write TWO Emails Recently Praising Edwards Who
he states is one who has the most populist message, and the one who is actually saying "out loud" and "clearly" what he thinks about the D.C. Elites, Corporations & Lobbyists?

I realize what he's said in the past about the above, but what I'm talking about is HIS RECENT statements!

While not directly endorsing Edwards, I have a feeling it won't be long!!

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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:40 PM
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24. I think that Americans do believe that they and/ortheir child may someday be rich
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 06:41 PM by truedelphi
But this idea is often tempered in a climate such as ours where most people, even right wing dandies, are aware of the mess this country is in with regard to health care and an endless victory-less war.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:33 PM
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8. You Are A "Casual" Observer... Look Closely & Become A "Serious"
observer! But then that's only my opinion, and I'm sure you don't care much for what I'm saying.

No matter, I KNOW how SERIOUS I am.

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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:23 PM
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22. As is Hartmann
He's never officially said so, but any regular listener can certainly figure that out.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:13 PM
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27. Thom Hartman Is A Super Person & Very Intelligent... I Have A Lot
of respect for him.

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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:39 PM
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23. He did not back Nader in 2004.
In fact, there is YouTube footage of MM on Bill Maher's show, with both men on their knees in front of Nader, begging him not to run.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:28 PM
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2. This is the important sentence!
"So Barack, you can talk all you want about "let's put the partisanship aside, let's all get along," but the other side has no intention of being anything but the bullies they are. Get your game face on now. And, if you can, tell me why you are now the second largest recipient of health industry payola after Hillary. You now take more money from the people committed to stopping universal health care than any of the Republican candidates."

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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:31 PM
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5. That IS The Most Important Sentence! That's Why I Posted It...
I also wrote back to Moore stating that I recall he voted for Nader because he voted for WHO he felt was better, so no matter what others may say, or no matter what others "think" about Obama, I will stick with Edwards and I WILL write his name in.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:32 PM
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7. Me too, should it come to that.But I do NOT think it will.People will rise up!
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:35 PM
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9. Edwards Campaign Sent Out A Message Too... They Raised More
money last night after Iowa than ever before! I just gave what I could, wish I could do more. I also commented to Moore that if he really wanted to be helpful to Edwards, he would do more than say "nice things" about him. He needed to help him out and quit pussy-footing around!
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:59 PM
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15. So will I...
but I probably won't write his name in, if it comes to that. I will support our party's nominee in the GE.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:49 PM
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18. I'm Still A Hold Out... I Don't Want To Take anything Away From Obama
because what he did, he did effectively... Repukes or not! But that IS the point... many crossover Repukes voted for him! That say VOLUMES to me!

I feel he's slowly sliding more to the "right" all the time, and it makes me VERY NERVOUS!! As a liberal, one who always knew Bill Clinton was to the right of me, I feel Obama is going even further that Bill Clinton. I DON'T go along with the naive idea that "anyone" can just reach across the aisle and expect "that loving feeling" from them. If anyone hasn't noticed, they aren't KNOWN for giving up ANYTHING easily!!

It's a noble goal, but it's going to take more than just smiling sweetly and pouring syrup at the same time. Not with so many Repukes who have STUCK with this Idiot, Decider through thick and thin! I seriously DOUBT that they were that stupid, they were sticking together because they were Repukes and UNITY is their game, no matter the consequences to "we the people!"

This has ALWAYS been my problem with Obama! Putting on blinders so as not to see the road blocks is much to risky as far as I'm concerned!

And there's ONE MORE THING we as Democrats had better start facing! Many of OUR OWN don't even stand up for US, and as much as the hype we hear about Democrats taking over the WH & Congress, I'm not so sure about that! I know I'm pretty sick of how they've NOT worked for us, and I know LOTS of people are looking to become Independents because of it. And they may or may NOT vote for a Democrat. I myself am very upset with what so many of OUR OWN have NOT done. They still haven't REALLY stood up to these corrupt people. Sure, a few investigations and a small victory here or there... but who's really HURTING???
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:09 PM
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19. I will hold out as long as possible...
and I agree 100% with your post. There is no reaching across the aisle and they will NOT give up anything. And I, too am also sick of how our Dem leaders have not done what they were elected to do. But when it comes to th GE I can't do anything that will help a Repub get elected.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:35 PM
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13. I don't regard Iowa as a truly red state.
They are purple-ish.

They have many elected Democrats there. They always have had.

I think something was wrong there in 2004. The election results did not come in until the next day. That is not normal. I believe strongly that the repukes there found a way to fiddle with the election. While it may have been close, the state should have gone to Kerry.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:41 PM
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14. the flaw in his enthusiasm
is that there are indications that a not-insignificant part of the big dem turnout were pugs crossing over to screw with the results
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:47 PM
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17. excellent!
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cynthia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:15 PM
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20. I don't get why some of the Obama supporters I 've met are so willing
to overlook his huge contributions from the health care industry! And these are folks who are in the universal health care camp. I applaud Michael Moore for laying it on the table.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:21 PM
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21. I Don't Understand It Either... But The Beat Goes On.... Many Talk
so badly about Clinton and ALL the money she raised, but Obama's name is RIGHT up there behind hers, most of the time!

This is ONE BIG reason I have problems with Obama. This and his feeling that he can simply "invite" the Repukes to the table and the PARTY will begin. This isn't a "reality" to me! It has never happened in the past, and if he's pulling in many younger voters, that GREAT, but as one who's been around for a while... the UNITY of the Repukes is NOTORIOUS! They aren't giving anything up WITHOUT a FIGHT!

I do believe that we as Americans are starved for change, and while many younger voters are very intelligent and many follow issues, there are many who have enthusiasm and really think it's as easy as Obama paints it.

From what I've seen through the years, I'm A Boomer, it just ain't that easy!
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:43 PM
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25. Michael gets it so often that it is scary.
I often wonder where we would be if he hadn't decided that he could make documentaries.

He had just been fired from "Mother Jones" and he saw a documentary and thought to himself "I could do that!"
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:43 PM
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26. K & R
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