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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:01 PM
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Think we have an informed electorate? Consider this pro-Obama quote from this morning
When I was discussing last night's caucus with some college-aged kids in the auto-repair waiting room, asking them what they knew of Obama and Edwards' different platforms, how they differ as candidates, etc:

(paraphrased)

"Edwards is like your typical old money, blue-blood politician. I think people have had enough of those. Obama knows what it's like to be poor, to be a minority, to be, like, the underdog."

:banghead:

If this kid is representative of today's youth, this country is doomed.

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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:02 PM
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1. Oh well. They're young.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:06 PM
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2. I know some poor kids who'd love to go to that private school in Hawaii.
Hell, their parents would love to make the equivalent of the annual TUITION for that school as a yearly salary.

And I don't think any of those kids you spoke to would want to grow up with the challenges that John Edwards faced as a youngster.

It's not just the young kids, though--there are a shitload of obtuse idiots who are past college age, too. They can't even read, never mind formulate a cogent thought.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:27 PM
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29. Fact check
Obama went to that school on a scholarship. He was raised by a single mom with help from working class grandparents.

Besides, Mosi Tatupu went to the same high school, so they seem to be doing something right.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:44 PM
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31. To have the opportunity to be eligible for one is out of reach of most kids.
It's one of the very best schools in the entire country, not just the state of HI.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:08 PM
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3. You can't win elections by only winning informed, intelligent voters.
We should start getting used to it.
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:08 PM
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4. At least they knew who they were!
A good chunk of them can't find Canada on a map
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:31 PM
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20. Or who the republicans were that were willing to register Dem.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:09 PM
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5. sure, the electorate is uninformed
that's the only way your candidate came in third: it must be the electorate's fault.
Let's blame them!

:sarcasm:

seriously, its only the first caucus there is a lot more primary action to get through. things can change, but as long as you insult the electorate, guess what? that doesn't make them want to vote for your candidate, now does it?


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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:10 PM
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6. My candidate came in second, not third
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:14 PM
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8. well, then, you should be one position LESS bitter, eh?
sour grapes are only sour if you insist on eating them.

Obama is not my first choice, but I'm not going to gainsay this victory at all.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:16 PM
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10. Relaying some ridiculous comments = "sour grapes"?
I think you need to look up the definition of "sour grapes".
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:28 PM
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16. good idea!
grapes
pl.n. Denial of the desirability of something after one has found out that it cannot be reached or acquired: The losers' scorn for the award is pure sour grapes.


now that I've looked up the definition, can you explain why trashing Obama supporter's "enlightenment" is not sour grapes?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:10 PM
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7. paraphrased...
my neighbors have 5 kids...4 of voting age, two just barely. All have concerns for the environment. Their parents have been active in local politics for their entire life...a long time family history in this neck of the woods. They all have Obama '08 bumper stickers on their cars. I don't know how they would "paraphrase" their support, but I appreciate and applaud their commitment and activism.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:16 PM
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9. They're only parroting what the media says about Edwards
WGR talk show this morning was talking about how Mayor Bloomberg (Major of NY City) as an Independent might unite the country. Bloomberg is a Republican really so what would change?

Why aren't those college kids joining their campus political groups to find out? Are they just too lazy or not aware of what lies before them. They've always had a good life in America. They should know what is going on since they are from the Internet generation. Guess games get more attention.

If they get drafted and can't find a decent job maybe they will find out about the candidates and their agenda for change? That's why we got the Vietnam young in protest who were drafted and died. Indirectly this Iraq "action" is just as bad but in an unseen way. The debt and lose of democracy worse than any small war\or aggression so far.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:21 PM
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11. what's ridiulous is what you're extrapolating from one comment.
Some voters are well informed. Many aren't. Many young people are well informed. My son certainly is- and he supports Obama.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:23 PM
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12. If you think that's dumb...
you should read some of when the Edwards supporters have to say over on DU today.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:31 PM
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22. ...
:rofl:
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:24 PM
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13. Now I see why Edwards repeats his "son of a mill worker" line everywhere. n/t
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:25 PM
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14. Grow up
I am sick of people denigrating people whose intelligence they doubt.

If the kid was from the south he might have been making an analogy that is not so wildly far fetched.

One thing the kid knows that the poster apparently misses.

It is POV and world view. The minority experience vs. the majority experience vs. = majority experience vs. the poverty\underdog experience.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:30 PM
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18. Uh, no
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 02:30 PM by brentspeak
:eyes:

These were kids from the north. Northern NJ. And they were not members of a minority.
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:44 PM
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23. I posted this
and the only reason I understand the difference between "new money and "old money" is because it has been explained to me. And, I am white.
I am however, a minority if you consider the disability no one can see.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:26 PM
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15. There has always been a varying degree of informed voters
There will always be those that aren't and those that are very well informed on the different candidates.

I'm sure all the top tier candidates had a few less informed supporters.
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:59 PM
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25. Is that really fair?
I suppose that there could be a part of the distribution of this electorate which would have measured intelligence\ education level that registers below "normal." But, If that were true portiotionally we would be subject to some serious criticism.
I would hope that we would give our electorate the benefit of the doubt regarding intelligence and education.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:26 PM
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26. It's not either/or
There are very intelligent people out there that just aren't quite informed on the different candidates. And then there are political junkies too. :shrug:
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:28 PM
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17. Edwards isn't a old line money, he came from a very poor family
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 02:29 PM by surfermaw
If Edwards was an old line money person, he would not have been stooped by some by putting Clark the half republican in the race. He would have beaten the heck our of Kerry, and then carried the South and we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now. Oh yes the bipartition's joined up with Obama in the Caucus, but wait until the general election, and you will see them in the Republican lines jumping with joy and laughing as they are doing in the south today.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:30 PM
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19. You should make an OP of that. It's really good. NT
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:10 PM
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27. .
:rofl:
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:13 PM
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28. Oh no!
:rofl:
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:31 PM
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30. Oh geez
What are you even talking about?

:rofl:
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:31 PM
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21. Quoting an anonymous college student?
Not even an obscure blog? Just three unattributed sentences?
This is getting downright sad.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:55 PM
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24. Spot ON!
More than half the people I have talked to WHO support Obama...say "we need someone different!"... different? Or "Obama didn't vote the war...Hillary did."...:crazy:
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