Great quote from Charles Pierce on Obama's 'message'.

http://mediamatters.org/altercation/index

"As to Obama, well, I'm still waiting. He gives a good speech and he plainly can get people off the parliamentary side of their arse. However, after seven years of God Told Me To Screw This Up, and people telling me that it's the president's job to "protect" me and my family -- Give me a break. I wouldn't hire the incumbent to park my car -- I am very wary of messianic appeals to the better angels of my nature. I don't want reconciliation with this party full of vandals until we have truth first. Does the current frontrunner have an opinion on what should happen to the people who stonewalled the 9/11 commission? Is that something we have to "get beyond" so as to march together into bipartisan Shangri-La? Well, f**k that. How's the damage get repaired that way? If it's OK, I'm not kneeling at the grotto just yet."


Kind of says what I feel about Obama just now.

about our democratic controlled Congress. I have no bitch about speaking the truth...but I do find it a little disingenuous to blame the Senator from Illinois for the state of our democracy.

:rofl:

JESUS, this guy is funny--they should give him his own column, and maybe make him a talking head on tee vee if he doesn't scare the children with a freaky face or whatnot!!! The paragraphs that precede are pretty brilliant:

Well, early on in the evening, Chris Matthews used the word "pissant" on live television. (Another barrier falls!) While I did slide nerdfully over to C-SPAN to watch some actual caucuses, I kept coming back to MSNBC and the evening zoo crew. Whatever points they accrue for giving some PT to the great Dr. Maddow, they lose for not bundling Matthews off to the Happy Farm very early on, before he started babbling about the revelatory moment of good ol' Ioway's signing up with a transformational "Third World" figure wha-dee-doo-dah while poor Olbermann sat there groping blindly for the Thorazine. By the end, after Barack Obama's latest oratorical candy floss, Matthews looked like he'd caught the whole dinner show at Lourdes. Can we please have one election where we are not told it's our obligation as citizens to swoon over someone? Can't we just, you know, HIRE someone to do the job?

(Editorial note: :rofl: :rofl: )

That said, it was a good night to be a Democrat and a very, very bad night to be a Romney. How'd you like to spend seven million on TV ads, lose to a Bible-banger with a name out of Al Capp, and then see John McCain on your teevee, already in New Hampshire and taking further bites out of your hide? How do the R's square this circle? Romney's a self-evident fake, and the establishment plainly wants to sell the Huck down the river. How does it do that without fomenting a Wall Street/Wal-Mart split that will take a generation to heal? I think they suck it up and run St. John on his latest platform of keeping American troops in Iraq for 100 years. Have fun, kids.

If he plans to forgive and forget then he's not qualified to be president, IMHO.

when he performed in San Francisco):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Pierce




But he passed away a few years ago.

I also saw him in SF back in 1968...fun times.

a forum last year.

I'm not saying anything about falling in line, but the people pushing the "kill 'em all" BS like Pierce were rejected in both parties.

"Is that something we have to "get beyond" so as to march together into bipartisan Shangri-La? Well, f**k that."

bipartisanship? I still don't see how that equates to a 'kill 'em all' attitude.

That's the closest example of this in Pierce's comments. Look around DU and you'll see far more of it.

I'll bring it up again when I can support it better. What I'm saying is that there are people that don't want to "come together" or "end the division." Those people lost.

the under-30 crowd in Iowa are so easily swayed by good speeches. And btw, I don't Oprah would have endorsed Obama if he didn't live in Illinois.

I don't trust him....and as Michael Moore said, the Corporations would eat him for breakfast.

on picking candidates.

good mind when it comes to judgment of character. Obama has never worked in the corporate world...non-profit, academia, government...but never the corporate arena. I, too, believe the Corporate sharks will eat him for breakfast. One can't afford to be just 'present' when dealing with these dog eat dog types.

And I don't see the Red States any more inclined to vote for a black man than they would for a white woman. The Repugnants are licking their chops at running against either of them.

I know Michael regrets supporting Nader in '00...he never thought that Nader wouldn't put his support behind Gore as the election approached...but that's all history.

As you can see



http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#val=IADEM

half (57%) of those under 30 voted for Obama....so how am I mistaken? Is Mercury retrograde or something? Am I speaking French?

What you are speaking is bullshit. You're interested in pretending Obama only attracted the youth vote. Feh.

you must not have passed Algebra I...or maybe the class before that...the one that deals with percentages.

And I bet you're under 30 and are charmed by charismatic speeches and want everyone to be nice and sing songs around the campfire with religious wingnuts who have finally seen the light and want to adopt all of the unwanted foster children in the world.

You're the one who is bullshit. Go away.

Words. Just words. Gimme some substance!

just curious

I don't remember either of them bringing it up either.

I also loved what he said about Tweety!!!!! LOL!!!!

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Does this guy really think Bush is "the people" that Obama wants to unite with? I guess some people will never get it.

play nice after De Lay and Rove and Newt have shown them how to be the worst sunuvabeechs this side of the universe....they rubberstamped everything Cheney and Bush wanted....and they're suddenly going to change? I think not...I think
if ever Obama gets in there he'll be one of them....a middle of the roader not so different from Hillary

The "Democrats are wimps" meme has got to go. It's time for us to fight for the Constitution of the United States. If we're too weak to fight Republicans, why should the American people trust us to fight terrorists?

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-Laelth