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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:13 PM
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ANALYSIS - Comparison of Obama's speech to Edwards' to find the substance of each - HELP!
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 05:15 PM by FrenchieCat
In attempting to find where Edwards speech differed in "substance" versus Obama's (and I'm doing this after the 40th post that I read that dismisses Obama's speech as unsubstantial on these boards, while being told that Edwards' is detailed and specific) I decided to closely read both speeches and to see why these comments are being made.

I went in the search of "substance".

But what is this "substance" that we are holding our candidates accountable for, and what is it supposed to look like? :shrug:

If someone mention the problems that we experience in this country, is this considered substance? Because if that's the case, each Obama and Edwards list plenty wrong with this country.

Obama uses the word IRAQ in his speech a couple of times. Edwards does not mention the word IRAQ at all (he mentions soldier health care, but not the actual war and what he'll do about it!) .

Edwards and Obama both have stories about Americans, Edwards are more “tugging at the heart string” stories, and are much longer narratives, and done in the way that Edwards does so well. But Stories are not necessarily solutions, rather it is illustrating a problem in a way that will connect with what the speaker is saying.

It is my opinion that Substance in terms of politics stands for discussing the problems AND the goals, and the possible solutions; that's we want to hear about, isn't it? :shrug:

How will these solutions happen? what will it take? How will that be done? What will be the tools used to affect these changes? What is it that we want to end up with?

That's an important qualities that would make us want to vote on an individual, right?...what they will do to SOLVE the problems they articulate. What their specific vision is for us under their administration. Certainly, most of us know the problems well and that's kind of the first and perhaps easiest part.....but it's coming up with how these problems will be made to go away and what we want to achieve instead that makes words truly substantive.

And how many times is the word “hope” uttered in each speech? 11 times in Obama’s speech, and zero times in Edwards’ speech. Of course that is partially because Obama defines his concept of what hope actually means as part of his speech....as it is part of his campaign theme.

What about the word “Change”? 6 times for Obama, and 9 times for Edwards.

Oh...and Obama doesn't mention GOD in his speech....but Edwards does.

I'm going to post the transcripts of each speech via separate posts.

I will highlight what I personally feel is substance, i.e., the problems, the goals and the solutions in Obama's speech.

Someone else can show me where Edwards' substance is found in his speech.....and then we can discuss what makes Edwards' speech so much more "substantial",i.e., the method in which he will answer the things that a wrong with this country and where he wants to go.

I hope that some Edwards Supporters will assist me with this, because I will not allow this issue to go away until this debate has been had.

Thank you.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:17 PM
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1. Here's a snapshot of his record
I know it doesn't pertain to your post, I just thought I'd post it anyway. I'm going to begin posting it as "Beef".

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/07/29/us/politics/20070730_OBAMA_GRAPHIC.html
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:19 PM
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3. k.....
I have posted Obama's speech below! :hi:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:18 PM
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2. OBAMA SPEECH TRANSCRIPT


Thank you, Iowa.

You know, they said this day would never come. They said our sights were set too high. They said this country was too divided, too disillusioned to ever come together around a common purpose.

But on this January night, at this defining moment in history, you have done what the cynics said we couldn't do.

You have done what the state of New Hampshire can do in five days. You have done what America can do in this new year, 2008.

In lines that stretched around schools and churches, in small towns and in big cities, you came together as Democrats, Republicans and independents, to stand up and say that we are one nation. We are one people. And our time for change has come.

You said the time has come to move beyond the bitterness and pettiness and anger that's consumed Washington.

To end the political strategy that's been all about division, and instead make it about addition. To build a coalition for change that stretches through red states and blue states.

Because that's how we'll win in November, and that's how we'll finally meet the challenges that we face as a nation.

We are choosing hope over fear.

We're choosing unity over division, and sending a powerful message that change is coming to America.

You said the time has come to tell the lobbyists who think their money and their influence speak louder than our voices that they don't own this government -- we do. And we are here to take it back.

The time has come for a president who will be honest about the choices and the challenges we face, who will listen to you and learn from you, even when we disagree, who won't just tell you what you want to hear, but what you need to know.

And in New Hampshire, if you give me the same chance that Iowa did tonight, I will be that president for America.

I'll be a president who finally makes health care affordable and available to every single American, the same way I expanded health care in Illinois, by...

... by bringing Democrats and Republicans together to get the job done. I'll be a president who ends the tax breaks for companies that ship our jobs overseas and put a middle-class tax cut into the pockets of working Americans who deserve it.

I'll be a president who harnesses the ingenuity of farmers and scientists and entrepreneurs to free this nation from the tyranny of oil once and for all.

And I'll be a president who ends this war in Iraq and finally brings our troops home...

... who restores our moral standing, who understands that 9/11 is not a way to scare up votes but a challenge that should unite America and the world against the common threats of the 21st century.

Common threats of terrorism and nuclear weapons, climate change and poverty, genocide and disease.
Tonight, we are one step closer to that vision of America because of what you did here in Iowa.

And so I'd especially like to thank the organizers and the precinct captains, the volunteers and the staff who made this all possible.

And while I'm at it on thank yous, I think it makes sense for me to thank the love of my life, the rock of the Obama family, the closer on the campaign trail.

Give it up for Michelle Obama.

I know you didn't do this for me. You did this -- you did this because you believed so deeply in the most American of ideas -- that in the face of impossible odds, people who love this country can change it.

I know this. I know this because while I may be standing here tonight, I'll never forget that my journey began on the streets of Chicago doing what so many of you have done for this campaign and all the campaigns here in Iowa, organizing and working and fighting to make people's lives just a little bit better.

I know how hard it is. It comes with little sleep, little pay and a lot of sacrifice. There are days of disappointment. But sometimes, just sometimes, there are nights like this; a night that, years from now, when we've made the changes we believe in, when more families can afford to see a doctor, when our children -- when Malia and Sasha and your children inherit a planet that's a little cleaner and safer, when the world sees America differently, and America sees itself as a nation less divided and more united, you'll be able to look back with pride and say that this was the moment when it all began.

This was the moment when the improbable beat what Washington always said was inevitable.

This was the moment when we tore down barriers that have divided us for too long; when we rallied people of all parties and ages to a common cause; when we finally gave Americans who have never participated in politics a reason to stand up and to do so.

This was the moment when we finally beat back the policies of fear and doubts and cynicism, the politics where we tear each other down instead of lifting this country up. This was the moment.

Years from now, you'll look back and you'll say that this was the moment, this was the place where America remembered what it means to hope. For many months, we've been teased, even derided for talking about hope. But we always knew that hope is not blind optimism. It's not ignoring the enormity of the tasks ahead or the roadblocks that stand in our path.

It's not sitting on the sidelines or shirking from a fight. Hope is that thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us if we have the courage to reach for it and to work for it and to fight for it.

Hope is what I saw in the eyes of the young woman in Cedar Rapids who works the night shift after a full day of college and still can't afford health care for a sister who's ill. A young woman who still believes that this country will give her the chance to live out her dreams.

Hope is what I heard in the voice of the New Hampshire woman who told me that she hasn't been able to breathe since her nephew left for Iraq. Who still goes to bed each night praying for his safe return.


Hope is what led a band of colonists to rise up against an empire. What led the greatest of generations to free a continent and heal a nation. What led young women and young men to sit at lunch counters and brave fire hoses and march through Selma and Montgomery for freedom's cause.

Hope -- hope is what led me here today. With a father from Kenya, a mother from Kansas and a story that could only happen in the United States of America.

Hope is the bedrock of this nation. The belief that our destiny will not be written for us, but by us, by all those men and women who are not content to settle for the world as it is, who have the courage to remake the world as it should be.

That is what we started here in Iowa and that is the message we can now carry to New Hampshire and beyond.

The same message we had when we were up and when we were down; the one that can save this country, brick by brick, block by block, (inaudible) that together, ordinary people can do extraordinary things.

Because we are not a collection of red states and blue states. We are the United States of America. And in this moment, in this election, we are ready to believe again.

Thank you, Iowa.
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/politics/ny-usobam0105-transcript,0,7073760.story?page=2

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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:20 PM
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4. Last night was not a time to lay out policy positions
It was time for a victory speech (Senator Obama) and a call to the troops to not give up (for the others). Nobody lays out ten-point policy speeches at election night rallies.

BTW, after Biden left the race last night - I'm with Obama all the way to the White House.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:33 PM
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7. I agree with you......and I agree with you.......
And that's great news...and Welcome, Obama supporter!

I'm simply issuing a challenge to those who are all over these board determining who had substance in their speech, and what it substantial or not. Who has "specifics" and what a "specific" looks like. I believe that it is important that if folks have opinions, those opinions ought to be backed up with a certain amount of tangible data that can be easily pointed to.

In particular some Edwards supporters, but not them only, have determined that delivery isn't something that counts....of if it does, they didn't "like" Obama's cadence and that he sounds like a Preacher. However, the so called preacher doesn't refer to GOD once.....while Ultra liberal Edwards does. So I want some feedback on that.

As well, why Edwards chose not to mention IRAQ in his speech at all? I'm curious as to what that substance is being represented in that. :shrug:

But it does seem like the claims on these boards is that of lack of "Substance" in Obama's speech. It appears to be the running theme. That and chiding at the word "Hope" as though it has absolutely no meaning. Obama mentioned this phenomenon. He says in the speech, "For many months, we've been teased, even derided for talking about hope. But we always knew that hope is not blind optimism. It's not ignoring the enormity of the tasks ahead or the roadblocks that stand in our path." He goes on to provide context for his use of the word as the theme of his campaign.

As well, why Edwards chose not to mention IRAQ in his speech at all?

This should make for an interest conversation, if some of those who hold the opinion that I allude to speak up and justify what exactly they are talking about.

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:53 PM
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11. I'd settle for a one-point policy speech
Look at the two speeches. Edwards manages to strike the right tone while still outlining specific priorities for his presidency. As far as I can tell, Obama's priorities are hope, unity and winning. Not particularly reassuring from my POV.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:25 PM
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18. You mean, like this?
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 06:29 PM by FrenchieCat
One issue speeches.....
I like the 2nd speech way better. More substance, and no big ass lies. :eyes:


Delivered on October 7, 2002 in the Halls of power-
This week, the U.S. Senate will have an historic debate on the most difficult decision a country ever makes: whether to send American soldiers into harm's way to defend our nation. The President will address these issues in his speech tonight.

My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. I am a co-sponsor of the bipartisan resolution we're currently considering.

Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave threat to America and our allies -- including our vital ally, Israel.
snip

After 11 years of watching Saddam play shell games with his weapons programs, there is no reason to believe he has any real intention to disarm.

At the end of the day, there must be no question that America and our allies are willing to use force to eliminate the threat of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction once and for all. And I believe if America leads, the world will join us.

Eliminating Iraq's destructive capacity is only part one of our responsibility, however.

We must make a genuine commitment to help build a democratic Iraq after the fall of Saddam. And let's be clear: a genuine commitment means a real commitment of time, resources, and yes, leadership. Democracy will not spring up by itself or overnight in a multi-ethnic, complicated, society that has suffered under one repressive regime after another for generations. The Iraqi people deserve and need our help to rebuild their lives and to create a prosperous, thriving, open society. All Iraqis — including Sunnis, Shia and Kurds — deserve to be represented.

This is not just a moral imperative. It is a security imperative. It is in America's national interest to help build an Iraq at peace with itself and its neighbors, because a democratic, tolerant and accountable Iraq will be a peaceful regional partner. And such an Iraq could serve as a model for the entire Arab world.
snip
We must also remember why disarming Saddam is critical to American security – because halting the spread of weapons of mass destruction, and ensuring they don't fall into the wrong hands, including terrorist hands, is critical to American security. This is a problem much bigger than Iraq.
snip
Even as we lead the world to eliminate the Iraqi weapons threat in particular and global proliferation in general, we must maintain our resolve in the long-term fight against terrorist groups like al-Qaeda.

I reject the notion that this is an either-or choice. Our national security requires us to do both, and we are up to the challenge. We fought World War II on four continents simultaneously. America worked to rebuild Germany and Japan at the same time, under the Marshall Plan. We waged the Cold War in every corner of the globe, and we won. --John Edwards
http://www.cfr.org/publication/5441/americas_role_in_the_world.html?breadcrumb=%2Fbios%2F9641%2Fjohn_edwards%3Fgroupby%3D3%26hide%3D1%26id%3D9641%26filter%3D2002


VERSUS...




Delivered on 26 October 2002 at an anti-war rally

I don’t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income – to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

Now let me be clear – I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity.

He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.

So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure that the UN inspectors can do their work, and that we vigorously enforce a non-proliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil, through an energy policy that doesn’t simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.

Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair.

The consequences of war are dire, the sacrifices immeasurable. We may have occasion in our lifetime to once again rise up in defense of our freedom, and pay the wages of war. But we ought not – we will not – travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain. - Barack Obama
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech




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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:36 PM
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27. He has NEVER laid out policy. Pass the potatoes and get
to the meat! What in the hell does Obama intend to change?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:21 PM
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5. EDWARDS SPEECH TRANSCRIPT

Thank you. Thank you.
The one thing that’s clear from the results in Iowa tonight is the status quo lost and change won.

And now we move on. We move on from Iowa to New Hampshire and to the other states to determine who’s best suited to bring about the change that this country so desperately needed. Because what we’ve seen here in Iowa is we’ve seen two candidates who thought their money would make them inevitable. But what the Iowa caucus-goers have shown, is if you’re willing to have a little backbone, to have a little courage, to speak for the middle class, to speak for those who have no voice.

If you’re willing -- if you’re willing to stand up to corporate greed, that message and the American people are unstoppable. No matter how much money is spent, no matter how much. And we are so proud of this cause.

But I want all of us to remember tonight while we’re having all these political celebrations, that just a few weeks ago in America, Nataline Sarkisian (ph), a 17- year-old girl who had a -- needed a liver transplant, and whose insurance company decided they wouldn’t pay for her liver transplant operation.

Finally, her nurses spoke up on her behalf. Her doctors spoke up on her behalf. Ultimately, the American people spoke up on her behalf by marching and picketing in front of her health insurance carrier. And, finally, the insurance carrier caved in and agreed to pay for her operation. And when they notified the family just a few hours later, she died. She lost her life. Why? Why?

James Lowe was born 51 years ago in the United States of America with a severe cleft palate, which kept him from being able to speak. And he lived for 50 years in the greatest, most prosperous nation on the planet, not able to speak because he didn’t have health-care coverage and couldn’t pay for a simple operation. Why?

Doug Bishop, who’s actually behind me tonight, Doug and his family worked at the Maytag plant in Newton -- Newton, Iowa. For generations, for generations, they worked. They sacrificed. They did everything you’re supposed to do in America. And then recently, this plant closed. And the jobs went overseas. Why? The reason is because corporate greed has got a stranglehold on America. And unless and until we have a president in the proud tradition of Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, who has a little backbone, who has some strength, who has some fight, who’s willing to stand up to these people, nothing will change.

We will never have the America that all of us dream of. The promise of America, which has been available to so many of us, will not be available to our children and our grandchildren. And I take this very personally.

I watched my grandmother, who I loved dearly, work year after year after year in the mills. And we lived in the same neighborhood. She would cook for us, leave the house, walk her way to the mill, work her shift, and come back home and take care of us again.

My grandfather, who was partially paralyzed, would go to work the graveyard shift in that mill and come back in the morning, when we’d have breakfast together.

My father, who’s here with me tonight, worked 36 years in the mills -- hard, tedious work; hard, tedious work. Why did he do it? Why did he struggle and sacrifice? Why did your parents and grandparents struggle and sacrifice? They did it so that you could have a better life. My parents did it so that I could have a better life.

And we, all of us to whom the torch has been passed, we carry an enormous responsibility. And that responsibility transcends politics and transcends elections. It’s our responsibility to ensure that we leave America better than we found it; that we give our children a better life than we’ve had.
And this is what I see in America today. I see an America where last year, the CEO of one of the largest health insurance companies in America made hundreds of millions of dollars -- in one year.

I see an America where ExxonMobil’s (NYSE:XOM) profits were $40 billion just a couple of years ago. Record amounts -- record profits.

All of that happening at the same time that this picture of America emerges. Tonight, 47 million Americans will go to bed knowing that if their child gets sick, they’ll have to go to the emergency room and beg for health care. Tomorrow morning, women will go to their doctor and be diagnosed with breast cancer, just like Elizabeth was. But unlike Elizabeth, they’ll have no health care coverage. And as a result, they know that they can’t go to the emergency room and get chemotherapy. What are they supposed to do? What are they supposed to do? You can literally see the fear and terror in their eyes.

Tomorrow morning, 37 million of our own people will wake up literally worried about feeding and clothing their own children. I went to a shelter here in Des Moines just a few weeks ago, where they took single moms with their children who had no place to live. And I said: Do you ever have to turn people away? Yes, a few months ago, they had to turn 70 to 75 families away in one month. And I said: These are moms with kids -- yes -- some of them with three or four children. And I said: Well, where did they go when you sent them away? They went back to the street, back to their homes. Thirty-five million people in America went hungry last year in the richest nation on the planet.

And tonight, 200,000 men and women who wore our uniform proudly and served this country courageously as veterans will go to sleep under bridges and on grates. We’re better than this. The United States of America’s better than this. And what happened tonight is the Iowa caucus-goers said, we want something different. We are going to stand up, we are going to rise up, we’re going to create an America that all of us believe in.

Because the truth is, when we speak up, when we speak up for James Lowe and the millions like him who live in the darkness, when we speak up against corporate greed and for the 37 million Americans who live in poverty, when we speak up for single moms who have no place to live with their children, when we speak up for hundreds of thousands of veterans who served this country proudly and are homeless with no place to live at night, when we do that together, as a nation -- and Iowa caucus-goers did it tonight -- when we do it, America’s a better place.

It says something about who we are. It says something about our character. Because when we do, America rises up. America becomes what it’s capable of being. And what began -- and it is not over -- what began tonight in the heartland of America is the Iowa caucus- goers said: Enough is enough. We are better than this. We are going to bring the change that this country needs.

And you have created and started a wave of change, a tidal wave of change that will travel from here to New Hampshire to Nevada to South Carolina, all across this country.
Because we know the torch has been passed to us. We stand proudly on the shoulders of our parents and grandparents and all those generations who came before us. And we take our responsibility seriously.

And this tidal wave of change that began tonight in Iowa and that will sweep across America, when that wave is finished, when it is done, every one of us are going to be able to look our children in the eye and say, we did what our parents did for us and what our grandparents did for us. Which is: We left America better than we found it, and we gave our children a better life than we had.

That’s what this is about. That’s what this change is about.

Continue on. This march of change continues on. God bless you. Thank you for everything you’ve done. Stay with us in this fight. We are in this fight together. Thank you.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/03/us/politics/03edwards-transcript.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:02 PM
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20. Here's the substance highlighted- it's meager. Mostly Edwards spouting his negativity.
Thank you. Thank you.
The one thing that’s clear from the results in Iowa tonight is the status quo lost and change won.

And now we move on. We move on from Iowa to New Hampshire and to the other states to determine who’s best suited to bring about the change that this country so desperately needed. Because what we’ve seen here in Iowa is we’ve seen two candidates who thought their money would make them inevitable. But what the Iowa caucus-goers have shown, is if you’re willing to have a little backbone, to have a little courage, to speak for the middle class, to speak for those who have no voice.

If you’re willing -- if you’re willing to stand up to corporate greed, that message and the American people are unstoppable. No matter how much money is spent, no matter how much. And we are so proud of this cause.

But I want all of us to remember tonight while we’re having all these political celebrations, that just a few weeks ago in America, Nataline Sarkisian (ph), a 17- year-old girl who had a -- needed a liver transplant, and whose insurance company decided they wouldn’t pay for her liver transplant operation.

Finally, her nurses spoke up on her behalf. Her doctors spoke up on her behalf. Ultimately, the American people spoke up on her behalf by marching and picketing in front of her health insurance carrier. And, finally, the insurance carrier caved in and agreed to pay for her operation. And when they notified the family just a few hours later, she died. She lost her life. Why? Why?

James Lowe was born 51 years ago in the United States of America with a severe cleft palate, which kept him from being able to speak. And he lived for 50 years in the greatest, most prosperous nation on the planet, not able to speak because he didn’t have health-care coverage and couldn’t pay for a simple operation. Why?

Doug Bishop, who’s actually behind me tonight, Doug and his family worked at the Maytag plant in Newton -- Newton, Iowa. For generations, for generations, they worked. They sacrificed. They did everything you’re supposed to do in America. And then recently, this plant closed. And the jobs went overseas. Why? The reason is because corporate greed has got a stranglehold on America. And unless and until we have a president in the proud tradition of Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, who has a little backbone, who has some strength, who has some fight, who’s willing to stand up to these people, nothing will change.

We will never have the America that all of us dream of. The promise of America, which has been available to so many of us, will not be available to our children and our grandchildren. And I take this very personally.

I watched my grandmother, who I loved dearly, work year after year after year in the mills. And we lived in the same neighborhood. She would cook for us, leave the house, walk her way to the mill, work her shift, and come back home and take care of us again.

My grandfather, who was partially paralyzed, would go to work the graveyard shift in that mill and come back in the morning, when we’d have breakfast together.

My father, who’s here with me tonight, worked 36 years in the mills -- hard, tedious work; hard, tedious work. Why did he do it? Why did he struggle and sacrifice? Why did your parents and grandparents struggle and sacrifice? They did it so that you could have a better life. My parents did it so that I could have a better life.

And we, all of us to whom the torch has been passed, we carry an enormous responsibility. And that responsibility transcends politics and transcends elections. It’s our responsibility to ensure that we leave America better than we found it; that we give our children a better life than we’ve had.
And this is what I see in America today. I see an America where last year, the CEO of one of the largest health insurance companies in America made hundreds of millions of dollars -- in one year.

I see an America where ExxonMobil’s (NYSE:XOM) profits were $40 billion just a couple of years ago. Record amounts -- record profits.

All of that happening at the same time that this picture of America emerges. Tonight, 47 million Americans will go to bed knowing that if their child gets sick, they’ll have to go to the emergency room and beg for health care. Tomorrow morning, women will go to their doctor and be diagnosed with breast cancer, just like Elizabeth was. But unlike Elizabeth, they’ll have no health care coverage. And as a result, they know that they can’t go to the emergency room and get chemotherapy. What are they supposed to do? What are they supposed to do? You can literally see the fear and terror in their eyes.

Tomorrow morning, 37 million of our own people will wake up literally worried about feeding and clothing their own children. I went to a shelter here in Des Moines just a few weeks ago, where they took single moms with their children who had no place to live. And I said: Do you ever have to turn people away? Yes, a few months ago, they had to turn 70 to 75 families away in one month. And I said: These are moms with kids -- yes -- some of them with three or four children. And I said: Well, where did they go when you sent them away? They went back to the street, back to their homes. Thirty-five million people in America went hungry last year in the richest nation on the planet.

And tonight, 200,000 men and women who wore our uniform proudly and served this country courageously as veterans will go to sleep under bridges and on grates. We’re better than this. The United States of America’s better than this. And what happened tonight is the Iowa caucus-goers said, we want something different. We are going to stand up, we are going to rise up, we’re going to create an America that all of us believe in.

Because the truth is, when we speak up, when we speak up for James Lowe and the millions like him who live in the darkness, when we speak up against corporate greed and for the 37 million Americans who live in poverty, when we speak up for single moms who have no place to live with their children, when we speak up for hundreds of thousands of veterans who served this country proudly and are homeless with no place to live at night, when we do that together, as a nation -- and Iowa caucus-goers did it tonight -- when we do it, America’s a better place.

It says something about who we are. It says something about our character. Because when we do, America rises up. America becomes what it’s capable of being. And what began -- and it is not over -- what began tonight in the heartland of America is the Iowa caucus- goers said: Enough is enough. We are better than this. We are going to bring the change that this country needs.

And you have created and started a wave of change, a tidal wave of change that will travel from here to New Hampshire to Nevada to South Carolina, all across this country.
Because we know the torch has been passed to us. We stand proudly on the shoulders of our parents and grandparents and all those generations who came before us. And we take our responsibility seriously.

And this tidal wave of change that began tonight in Iowa and that will sweep across America, when that wave is finished, when it is done, every one of us are going to be able to look our children in the eye and say, we did what our parents did for us and what our grandparents did for us. Which is: We left America better than we found it, and we gave our children a better life than we had.

That’s what this is about. That’s what this change is about.

Continue on. This march of change continues on. God bless you. Thank you for everything you’ve done. Stay with us in this fight. We are in this fight together. Thank you.

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:30 PM
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6. Thanks for posting these. It's clear Edwards has much more substance
He does not go into HOW he's going to effect change, but at least he talks -- specifically -- about WHAT he wants to change. Obama says precisely nothing. Until last night, I wasn't aware of how lightweight Obama's message really is.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:38 PM
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8. if you ain't got no solution,,,,,,
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 06:11 PM by FrenchieCat
what good is knowing what the problems are? How is that leadership?

Leadership is about doing something and knowing the best manner of getting it done, not just making a list.

That's like you simply telling me that my house has been foreclosed on. And, so....What in the fuck are you gonna help me with that? where's the beef?

I'm just hoping that others attempting to decide which candidate to align with actually go through this exercise, instead of having a short attentions reading span and preferring only to read what posters, with nothing to show, but a "Witty" drive by have to say!
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:51 PM
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10. Huh? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard
How can you even begin to find a solution if you pretend the problems don't exist. It's clear what Edwards' priorities are. What, exactly, are Obama's?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:10 PM
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13. So why doesn't Edwards speak the word IRAQ in that speech?
After all, its a big part of his political life!

He co-sponsored it.
while sitting in the intelligence committee
pushed it
voted for it
Apologized for it 3 years later
and I thought he now had this plan.

Why didn't he mention that "substance".

The Iraq war is still going on, you know.
Folks are still dying!
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:11 PM
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14. Isn't it funny
You asked a simple question, what are Obama's priorities, and all you got was attacks on Edwards. I too want to know what Obama's priorities are, and how he will go about taking on the problems. Is that so much to ask of the person who may be the next president?

Some here seem to be ready to "attack" the other candidates, yet they really give no substance to their own when it comes to the problems this country faces.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:14 PM
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17. Comparing speeches is an attack as well, hey.......
With that thin skin, I can nearly see your liver!
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:34 PM
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25. Hooray!!!!
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:13 PM
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16. Dumb Iowans, voting for the lightweight
This after Johnny had spent years travelling the state, armed with all his impressive substance and manly fighting spirit.

What went wrong?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:30 PM
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19. Guess, no one has as much to say as was originally
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 06:31 PM by FrenchieCat
thought--

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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:33 PM
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24. Excellent. Another Democrat peeks behind the Obama curtain
and finds nothing.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:49 PM
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9. Oh....this ain't going nowhere......
Instead, I'm looking for a few good Edwards supporters.
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sojourner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:07 PM
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12. Go here, download and read his book
(80 pages pdf) detailing his plans. See if that is enough substance for you. Peace.

http://www.johnedwards.com/issues/
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:12 PM
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15. So I post two speech, ask for help in doing a comparison
and you send me to go read a book? :shrug:


Why didn't John Edwards mention Iraq in his speech last night....isn't that a substansive issue?
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sojourner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:13 PM
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22. You asked for substance. I gave it. Now you're asking me to read someone else's mind...
I don't know what drives a person to select the points they'll cover in a given speech. If you do, then go for it!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:40 PM
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21. Not takers....not really, which means!
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:42 PM
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23. Election night speeches aren't supposed to have substance!
They should express broad themes, not offer details. That is not the place for policy speeches!
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:42 PM
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28. Exactly
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 09:43 PM by seasonedblue
I'm not supporting Obama, but his speech was perfect for an Iowa caucus winner. Edwards sounded like he was giving his usual stump speech,(only on steroids) and if I never hear the "son of a mill worker" thing again, I'll be a happy woman.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:51 PM
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30. Everybody's been complaining about beef
FC was trying to point out exactly what you said. Obama's speech is no more lacking in "beef" than any of the others. It's just a talking point.
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:35 PM
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26. Trying to do Obama's work for him, Frenchie?
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:47 PM
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29. It's sour grapes. Probably because some pundits have criticized Edwards a bit..
for giving part of his stump speech. Both speeches were awesome, though.

And no...we weren't looking for detailed specifics in a "rally" speech, or an outline of a plan. Obama's speech was an acceptance speech, a call to arms, a pat on the back to all who had worked very hard. And Edwards speech was a concession and congratulatory speech to Obama, and a speech for the purpose of bolstering his supporters for the next move.

Two different speeches with two different purposes. So they were somewhat different. But both were inspiring.
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:16 PM
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31. All you can come up with is "sour grapes"??????
Say that all you want but if you think for one second that the Republicans wouldn't eat this kind of crap up then you need to crawl back into your crib. If he's gonna be the Dem nominee I want to know EVERYTHING about him, especially what he intends to do (exactly) if elected. What are his solutions to our problems? Promising hope is inspiring and he's been successful with that ...but now, the game is on the table and he must show his cards. No more wishy washy hanging on the fence.

I still think this thread is a hoot because it shows that his most ardent followers don't actually know what he represents other than some kind of change and some kind of hope, or so he says.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:24 PM
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33. Jealousy is not a virtue........
but you will get over it! :rofl:
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 08:47 AM
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41. You DO know what a rally acceptance speech is, don't you? It's not a debate...
or a laying out of specific plans. It's to thank the voters and supporters who voted for him, and to inspire and urge people onward for the next step, and to get people fired up. It was an exceptional rally, acceptance speech.

Edwards' speech was, of necessity, different, since it was a concession speech. It was more necessary to urge his supporters onward after not winning the top place, but it was to fire people up, too. He took some heat for giving part of his stump speech in his concession speech. That's not typical. But who cares...his supporters loved it, like Obama's loved his.

"Why can't we all just get along?"
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:24 PM
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32. kick for laughs
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:27 PM
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35. Yes, Extra funny.....

Wonder How you will feel like in 4 days?

Well if I don't see you then, I'll just imagine!
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:26 PM
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34. One more great big KICK!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:33 PM
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36. You're kicking so much,
You might soon explode! :nuke:

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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:36 PM
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37. I recommended it too. Great thread
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:55 PM
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38. Well at least you're trying to find something good in Obama
rather than just attacking Edwards like you usually rabidly do. Knowing how much you hate Edwards kinda dilutes any argument you present against him. You're loosing your spark there, kitty kat.
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:04 PM
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39. Kick to the moon.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:27 PM
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40. I'm tired and was out and had one vodka tonic too many tonight
So I don't have the energy or brain cells to adequately respond to your challenge.

But in a nutshell, I believe Edwards was far more focused in his critique than Obama, in terms of what the problem is.

The issue at this point is corporatism. Edwards points out -- rightly so, in my opinion -- that the dominance of corporations and the wealthy elites of Wall St. hinders out ability to address other issues. The first step to fixing that is not some nebulous quality called "hope," but a refocusing of our selves away from the values that promote corporate greed.

Maybe I'm not being real articulate about it, but I do see Edwards speech as much more addressing a real problem, while Obama talks about the vague and meaningless divisions that could refer to almost anything.
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