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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:54 PM
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Obama Challenge
I'm guessing Obama's big edge was his non-vote for Bush to use force if necessary concerning Iraq, so I'm issuing a challenge to all Obama supporters.Can you send me his 2002, 2003 quotes with attribution about Iraq?

To hear Obama tell the tale now, he was fierce about opposing the war,but I don't remember any fierce opposition, so I'm looking for his exact quotes.It's so easy after the ball game to say, "I knew we were going to win,"

So if you're an Obama supporter, please send me those quotes with attribution.

Things not to do:
Don't use your words to explain how he felt before the 4,000 men died.If he's going to be president, shouldn't he be able to speak for himself?

Sidebar: You know this is a trap, so be careful.

I'll bet his words of warning were milquetoast, at best....

and I'll support whoever the Demo nominee is.







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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:56 PM
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1. Watch this video
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:15 AM
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16. !
The one you posted is where he states that he would not have voted for the IWR resolution.
That's a different venue than the "dumb war" peace rally.


Here's another one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkXYxB7zUb8&feature=related
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:16 AM
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17. Thats the one that made me support Obama
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:20 AM
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18. Did you see this one?
It's pretty devastating......Contrast via video Obama vs. Edwards through the years.
Poor John! :wow:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4x_KnWEDjs&feature=related
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:41 AM
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21. OMG, I watched the video, and I didnt even know that in 2004, Edwards would STILL've Gone into Iraq
Thats why I do not trust John Edwards.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:00 AM
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2. Chances BenDavid Posts in this thread again
5%

Now that I've called him on it? 78%
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:01 AM
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3. The video I posted is exactly what he asked for. Chances he ignores it...
99.9999%
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:02 AM
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4. At least he says he will support the nominee. Can't say that for some others on this forum.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:02 AM
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5. Whoopdee Doo. We have a primary going on, lets deal with that talk later.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:04 AM
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6. It's a big "Whoopdee Doo" to me, not so much for others though.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:05 AM
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9. Talk is cheap
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:07 AM
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11. Self
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 12:07 AM by Wolsh
delete
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:08 AM
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13. This thread is a gift to Obama supporters.
:shrug:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:05 AM
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7. FrenchieCat posted the text of his speech
I cannot believe how powerful it was. I was okay with the IWR, and accepted that it would help get inspectors in and hoped we would prevent Bush from starting a war.

I don't remember anybody, not even Howard Dean, giving a speech like Barack Obama did.

If you want to fight President Bush, let's fight al qaeda and Osama bin laden. Let's fight the opressive governments in the ME. Let's fight oil dependence that favors Exxon and Mobile.

It was awesome. He deserves major props for that speech. Nobody should call him a panderer after that.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:05 AM
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8. For the last time, the full text of his speech
Delivered in October 2002, in Federal Plaza

I standd before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances. The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil.

I don't oppose all wars. My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's army.

I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income, to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

Now let me be clear: I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power.... The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors...and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.

I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars. So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to make sure that...we vigorously enforce a nonproliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil through an energy policy that doesn't simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.

Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair."


Now, don't ask again
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:06 AM
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10. I Challenge the OP to show his face again instead of running away.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:08 AM
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12. His MO is to spout bullshit and disappear
he's the definition of a drive by poster
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:12 AM
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14. Maybe he's actually watching the video.
Maybe not...
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:12 AM
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15. The video is under three minutes
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:24 AM
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20. Be patient!
He's probably taking a dump.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:21 AM
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19. BenDavid, what did you think of the links you have been provided? nt
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:17 AM
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22. He's still on the attack in other threads. Why not answer to this one?
nt
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:58 AM
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23. Kick for being ignored by the OP
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 01:58 AM by hnmnf
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 02:16 AM
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24. Maybe Ben David forgot about his big bad challenge
and they wonder why we call them 'Hillbots"
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 02:17 AM
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25. We should keep it kicked, and remind him every chance we get.
I'm not fond of Cowards.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 02:20 AM
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26. I do believe BenDavid has been rendered speechless.
Perhaps he will now become an Obama supporter, knowing the facts.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 02:23 AM
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27. Already viewed the video and all I see is Obama saying he
would have voted like the senior senator from illinois did, Nay. I know this and this is obama's raison d'etre everytime there is a discussion about Iraq. I see nothing fierce in this interview about him opposing the resolution. I see a lot of votes of continued funding for this war i e HRC.... but where is this fierce opposition to the war before and after the fact?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 02:28 AM
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28. The trouble with your argument is you support Hillary.
If the issue really mattered to you that wouldn't be the case.

Other than that, spot on!
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 02:28 AM
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29. LALALALALA
Those fingers ever coming out of your ears there dude? You were given plenty of examples. I think you have proven yourself once and for all in this thread to be a shill.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 02:44 AM
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31. He called out Perle and Wolfowitz, he called out Bush
He called out oil dependence and Exxon Mobile. He called out the governments in the ME. ALL of it. At a peace rally for chrissake at a time when your "girl" was saying "stay the course".

The man should get a medal. He was 100% right on ALL of it.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:47 AM
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32. You've got to be kidding me.
Did you even watch the video? Of the three candidates left, he was clearly the strongest and the video proves it. You can nit pick and moan all you want, but you wouldn't be being honest.
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obamian Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 02:37 AM
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30. See Minute 46 Of This Charlie Rose Interview
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