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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:07 PM
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Poll question: If Obama Wins New Hampshire, Is It Over?
Not mathematically speaking, of course. But for all intents and purposes, if Obama wins New Hampshire, and wins big - and heads into Nevada and South Carolina on a roll....is this thing all over but the shouting?
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:09 PM
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1. Stop being Tim Russert and Chuck Todd will you?
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:09 PM
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4. why?
it's fun.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:39 PM
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36. Actually it was Charlie Cook who said it this morning. eom
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:09 PM
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2. "It"? As in the world? No. The primaries? No. The endless polls? No.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:09 PM
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3. No much as I would like it to be.
Hillary at least isnt giving up till all the beans are counted.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:10 PM
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5. I kind of think it was over when he won Iowa.
It wasn't even close. But if he wins big in NH, yeah, it's wrapped up.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:10 PM
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6. Hillary supporters have long said she can afford to lose both.
So imo, an Obama or Edwards win in NH is the only way to keep the race open.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:11 PM
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11. well, i didn't mean it in the financial sense
I know she has enough money to go all the way to Denver. The question is, though, can she stop that freight train once it builds up a head of steam?
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:15 PM
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16. Me either. I guess I should have used a better word than "afford"
:). But you're right. If Obama wins both, he'll be hard to stop.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:10 PM
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7. Yes.
I'm sorry, but momentum is the most powerful force in politics. If it is against you, you're screwed. He wins SC and maybe NV and then he dominates Super Tuesday even possibly winning NJ.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:11 PM
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8. Not quite yet.
I think a win in NH will help his momentum.

Nevada is the one to watch. If he can win Nevada, and follow that with his expected win in SC, he will win Tsunami Tuesday and the Nomination.
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femmocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:15 PM
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15. Heard on MSNBC that NV is an "organization" state.
I think it was David Gregory who speculated that Harry Reid could have NV tied up for Clinton even though he has not endorsed her (yet). He also noted that Reid's son is working for Clinton in NV.
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:26 PM
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22. did he say how Harry Reid "could have NV tied up for Clinton"? Reid can't
manage a Democratic majority in the Senate. Just curious.
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femmocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:11 PM
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9. Most likely. He is also expected to take SC, right?
That's when the fat lady sings.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:32 PM
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30. No, he isn't
This is all up in the air.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:36 PM
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35. The poll averages show a narrow lead in SC for Obama BEFORE Iowa
If he wins NH, he will win SC.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:11 PM
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10. Yes. Let's have our candidate picked by two tiny states full of rural white people.
Gawd Bless Merica.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:12 PM
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14. who picked a black guy
i'm not sure i get your point.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:29 PM
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26. who picked Huckabee, and rejected a female & a catholic & an hispanic (& a Jew if I remember right)
Get my point?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:31 PM
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28. Funny to hear the Clintonistas whine about Iowa... NOW
when many of us progressives have been clamoring for ditching the current system and replacing it with a system of rotating regional primaries.

I hope you all join us in getting rid of Iowa and New Hampshire as first in the nation, and restore sanity to an idiotic and undemocratic system.

How about demanding that the DNC reverses itself and restores Florida and Michigan's delegates?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:47 PM
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37. Again with the insulting slurs, and mistaken paranoia
You see "Clintonistas" behind every tree, do you?
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:32 PM
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31. Again.
I'm sick of it, no matter who "wins".
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:12 PM
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12. With 3 strong candidates, he won't be able to get a majority before the convention.
We must remember there are only 4 contests before the massive Feb. 5th date. All 3 top Democrats have enough support to last until Feb. 5th, thus likely resulting in a 3-way split with no one candidate ending with a majority of the delegates.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:12 PM
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13. I'll have my pillow handy until Denver
The Clintons are never out, not even when you think they've breathed their last breath.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:20 PM
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17. Why do you want it to be over so quickly?
The longer the primaries last, the longer the attention from the media and the more impetus is given to the candidates message.

Message? Oh, yeah. Maybe you are right. Blow the whistle. Game over.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:26 PM
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25. it has nothing to do with want
i said months ago that the Iowa winner wins it all. With today's media climate, a 4-day period in between primaries is an eternity.

The momentum will build and it'll be hard, if not impossible to stop.

Plus, democrats like winners. We haven't had one in so long we gravitate towards whoever looks like one.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:53 PM
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39. Gore won. Kerry won, despite a very bad campaign. Both elections
were stolen.

No mater who we nominate, the Republicans will attempt to steal the election. The people haven't been allowed to choose a president since 1996.

The stakes are extremely high in the coming election for Bush Crime family, which has led us into an immoral and illegal occupation of a foreign nation, shredded the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and stolen billions, if not trillions, of Dollars. Extremely powerful people are facing disgrace and jail-time if the rule of law is reestablished.

The coming campaign is going to be rough and dirty. So far Obama has been handled with kid gloves by the corrupt corporate press. I'm not sure why, but I suspect they think he can be beaten. About this, they may be wrong. But he, or any other person we nominate, is going to be vilified by the corporate media come September.

The Republicans are already putting voter caging into place around the country, a direct challenge to our party's base and particularly the new voters Obama will attempt to bring into the process.

Problems with the manipulation of computer-voting tallies generally have been ignored. At least a third, and probably a higher percentage, of the electorate will be voting on such machines in November.

It has been over a decade since this country has had a reasonably free and honest presidential election. I hope 2008 proves the exception; but I won't be holding my breath. And if the election is stolen, our corporate press already has an explanation: "the country wasn't ready for a woman," "wasn't ready for an African American," "found John Edwards' populism too abrasive," or what ever bullshit explanation will placate the American people over the theft of the election no matter who our nominee may be.

Freedoms lost are rarely restored.



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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:22 PM
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18. No, I think she will take Nevada
Maybe, possibly, but probably not squeak out a win in NH or SC. Feb 5 is going to do the telling. I'm beginning to think she loses California and I never thought I would be saying that.
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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:24 PM
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19. ITS ALREADY OVER
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:25 PM
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20. No, it isn't over! Hillary will win Michigan, where she is unopposed, and Florida
The Michigan and Florida delegates will get seated at the Denver Convention after a floor fight in which those that believe in democracy and oppose the heavy-handed tactics of Chairman Dean and his DNC, will reject the Credentials Committee and vote to seat the entire delegations.

This may not win Hillary the nomination, but at least will give her a fighting chance to win it in Denver.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:25 PM
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21. No, but it would be VERY difficult for Clinton or Edwards to come back. nt
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:26 PM
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23. Nope. Sorry, NY and CA will have their say.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:26 PM
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24. Nope. Sorry, NY and CA will have their say.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:30 PM
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27. It's always over after Iowa.
History has proven that many time.

Iowa IS America and speaks for all of us.

Everyone else should just quit now and not waste their time. Why bother?

I am going to buy my gown for the inauguration ball now.

:sarcasm:
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:35 PM
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34. Well, to be fair, the poster did say New Hampshire, not Iowa
It is interesting to speculate whether a one-two punch by Obama can finish off Hillary after Tues. I have no clue either way, but it's food for thought.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:31 PM
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29. No. If he wins South Carolina, it may be, though.
Let's wait and see.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:33 PM
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32. Unfortunately, not. HIllary is more than viable in some rather large
states in the NE and CA and likely FL too.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:34 PM
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33. wishful thinking? Or worried about what will come out?
All the information about that corporate backing is making some people nervous.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:50 PM
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38. No.
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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:59 PM
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40. With all the frenzied attention
Obama is getting (a good deal of rightly so) I think it will take a 15+ point win to start wondering if the race is over.
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