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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:47 PM
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Hillary's Oxymoron: "I've Been Making Change for 35 Years."
Uh huh. Now we got it.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:48 PM
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1. What, she been working at a Burger King?
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:49 PM
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2. My thought exactly!! I pictured her cashiering at Walgreen's. nt
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 09:49 PM by mycritters2
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:49 PM
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3. Maybe she means she was making THIS kind of change:
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:50 PM
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4. LOL
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:51 PM
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5. This is an odd argument
Inexperience is a plus? There is always a need for change and always will be, despite the false hopes some have that a messianic figure can lead us to an end point in history. If you thing Clinton is not an agent of change debate her record, not her experience.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:52 PM
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6. Indeed. Well said.
Welcome to DU! n/t
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:56 PM
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7. maybe
She's been changing things that would make things different.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:02 PM
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8. invisible change?....n/t
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DaLittle Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:09 PM
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9. Total Nonsense... End of Clintons RIP 9:34 Eastern Time!
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:34 PM
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10. Doesn't "35 years" give her credit for every moment after graduating law school?
If so, then why does she count only Obama's experience since he was elected to the U.S. Senate?

Shouldn't he also get credit for every moment since graduating law school? That should give him at least 20 years, right?

Conversely, if we apply to Hillary the same experience standard as she applies to Obama (i.e., only U.S. Senate experience), then she has about 7 years of exerience, not 35.
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:21 AM
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14. Yes, exactly -- and this is one of the central lines of Hillary's campaign
It's amazing the nonsense that gets repeated in campaigns without being seriously called on -- 35 years includes what, work as a corporate atty, First Lady -- of Arkansas, First Lady of the US (which apparently counts but time in the state legislature and community organizing don't).....

It's not an "oxymoron" in that SOME people can legitimately claim to have been fighting for change for the past 35 years, but not HRC.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:42 AM
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18. Because that would be politically inconvienent...
...and that's just not how HRC rolls.
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RoveRage Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:36 PM
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11. Yeah, WTF was that?
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:41 PM
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12. We've entered the land of the rediculous now, eh? Lame attack JD.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:45 AM
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19. Actually, that's the central problem of her campaign.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:43 PM
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13. change isn't a synonym for "new".
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 11:44 PM by annie1
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:43 AM
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15. she's talking to people that are able to understand her
she knows that some people won't.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:52 AM
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16. I didn't think she made her case on "change" any better than the rest
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 05:53 AM by Quixote1818
She brought up one instance in particular on Health Care then said she had been doing it for 35 years. The problem is everyone is left wondering why things still suck after all her 35 years of "change". Everyone then is left looking at her as part of the establishment and feeling nothing really ever changes.

I think Edwards gave a more compelling argument about his experience taking on the power brokers weather he is full of shit or not. Edwards line just worked better and was delivered better. There is no doubt he has beat them plenty of times or he wouldn't be living in that big ass house.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:02 AM
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17. I think it's fair to say she failed on national health care
people can decide if the fact that she failed before on national health care means that she cannot succeed now.

They can also look at the successes she claims, the CHIP program and the National Guard and Reserve program, and decide how much credit she should get for those.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:51 AM
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20. Don't hurt yourself. That's not an oxymoron.
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 06:52 AM by Perry Logan
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