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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:06 PM
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How come as soon as Hillary starts to falter, like she's done tonight, her supporters start
Accusing people of sexism as a distraction from what is really important. We've debated words like "catty" and "shrill" a hundred times this cycle, and still, when the trouble starts, the game plan goes back to vilifying words.


It's stupid, and dare I say, "shrill" and it keeps us from having serious discussions where we're allowed to use adjectives freely.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:07 PM
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1. catty and shrill are usually terms used on WOMEN is probably why nt
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:08 PM
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3. And 'President" is usually a term reserved for men
All kinds of things evolve over time.
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:08 PM
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2. I think you've presented a circular argument here. nt
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:09 PM
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4. Possibly...
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:10 PM
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5. If you know the words "catty" and "shrill" will trigger this response
why continue to use them?
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:11 PM
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7. Because I'm not going to be told what words I can use to describe someone...
by shrill reactionary supporters of a candidate who fits the words.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:13 PM
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14. Well, good luck to you again
Doing the same thing over and over is likely to produce the same results. :evilgrin:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:40 AM
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22. So you want to be able to use sexist vocabulary without being challenged on it.
Tough.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:11 PM
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10. Exactly.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:20 PM
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18. It's called intentional instigation.
The OP is fully aware of the response it will engender (pun not intended).
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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:10 PM
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6. Because they are just like her TRIANGULATORS
those are the only kind of people who would support her
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:11 PM
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8. because if something or someone you love/like/are passionate about
starts to falter/loose steam/ mess up/ whatever you wanna blame it on something, why not use blame and accuse people of something in the same breath?
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:11 PM
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9. The staus quo will attack agents of change.
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shoopnyc Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:12 PM
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11. because sometimes you can be sexist and not know it...
or: racist, misogynist, etc.

For instance, I was a racist until my two sisters married white men, (I'm Afr. Am.) DIDN'T KNOW I WAS 'TIL THEN THOUGH! :) :) :) :) :)
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:12 PM
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12. It is sexist, I have to admit...
but sadly, I was desparately grabbing for the wine as a buffer when she started "screeching". Women's voices are higher, and when they get excited, it can hurt ones head (I am female, btw). I grew up with a mom who screeched when she was upset or excited and there is no worse sound in the world, especially if your nerves are taut. I'm glad she's relaxed now. Men just don't screech as much (okay, except for Dean that one time, and I really don't want to go there again).
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:13 PM
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13. "Like she's done tonight"
You're pretty well losing whatever credibility that you had with some of these obtuse remarks.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:13 PM
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15. Don't say sexist things and the subject won't be changed.
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:14 PM
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16. Boy 'they' are sure out in full force tonight aren't they. Oops....was that sexist? eom
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:20 PM
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17. It takes away from whatever point you're trying to make.
There are plenty of words to use that wouldn't garner that reaction. When you choose to use them knowing that reaction will happen don't complain about said reaction. If you really want to discuss issues then I assume you're smart enough to choose words that will further that discussion and not hinder it.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:22 PM
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19. Same reason the Bush people do it: they can't defend anything else, so they have to blame "haters."
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:31 PM
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20. I'm a woman and a feminist (I LOVE that word!) but I'm not a Hillary Clinton fan....
.... I think anyone who attacks her for being a woman is a sick sob. However, I don't think she's ever reached out like Edwards to the folks who make up the poorest of the Two Americas. I suppose being married to a president felt like a huge edge. I wonder sometimes what she really would do if president for those who are the neediest. Judging from what I've seen so far, not very much, and I'm not saying that to be mean. I'm just getting that image, whether or not it's the image her advisers intended.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:34 PM
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21. Oh please. YOU are interested in having serious discussions?
Post after post after post...all I ever read from you is sexist foam-at-the-mouth claptrap.

You are a non-player in the "serious discussion" contest. Run along home, now.
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