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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:38 PM
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Who can I trust: I'm Exhausted: You Advise Me Who To Vote For.
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 10:53 PM by Mike03
I basically give up; many of you have very good arguments for and against the front runners.

I'm sick of arguing...

My priorities are incredibly simple:


1. Get the fuck out of Iraq and don't touch Iran.

2. Universal health care for everyone in our country.


So, now that Biden and Kucinich are out, who should I vote for?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:39 PM
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1. Kucinich. If you want to send a message, send a message.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:40 PM
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2. Lock yourself in a room and make your own decision. n/t
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:41 PM
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3. Edwards. He gets us out fastest, and has the plan that, in the long run, could lead to single payer
8-9 brigades immediately is faster than the others, who, IIRC, do only a brigade a month. Edwards with his mandates, his competition between public and private options, and heavier regulation of private insurers, can lower the cost of healthcare, and have the public options push out the private options because of lower overhead.

I respectfully ask you to support John Edwards with your vote.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:42 PM
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4. Honestly? Any of the Democrats will do.
We know Republicans will stay in Iraq until the next century and they don't give a fig if Americans drop dead in the streets from illness or hunger.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:42 PM
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5. Richardson will do the former, and he's the only one
no one is pushing universal health care.

But Richardson appears to be a lost cause, so you need to decide who is more likely to make the phased withdrawal they all promise actually happen. Edwards said he would, just a few days ago, take them out quickly and take them all out, but it was a bit of death-bed conversion and off-hand comment, so I don't really buy it. I think it's Obama, just because I think Clinton, like Bush, thinks the US should project power and so would like to keep troops, a lot of troops, in the Middle East.
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Anouka Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:43 PM
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6. No one can tell you who to vote for but you.
It's like love. You have to click, there has to be chemistry. The candidate for you is the candidate for whom you are willing to soften their faults (even as you acknowledge them) and shine their virtues.

If none of the current candidates click for you -- and you've had a lot of time to study them if you were actively pushing for Biden and Kucinich -- let it go. DON'T declare for anyone right now. Keep listening.

It's possible that none of them will click with you and you'll end up just pulling the lever for (D) on election day just to be supportive of the party. It happens. But don't force yourself before then into supporting a candidate you have no heart for.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:45 PM
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8. Your first paragraph is right on.
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 10:47 PM by Heaven and Earth
I turned to John Edwards when I heard my thoughts and ideas, expressed in words I would have chosen, coming out of his mouth. Your thing about faults is true too: if thinking about their faults makes you gag, that's not your candidate.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:44 PM
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7. Richardson.
He'll get us out of Iraq the fastest and as governor of NM he expanded health care to children.

I thought he wasn't very good in the debate tonight but I still think he'd get it done as prez. (too bad he can't get elected unless he learns how to handle himself in these debates a whole lot better)
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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:46 PM
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9. And please don't tell me it's "my decision", because when I make my
decision, either it is very well attacked or some new information comes along that alters the appeal of voting for that individual.




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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:46 PM
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11. Oops, ok then.
Vote Obama. :P
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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:46 PM
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10. Kucinich isn't out
But if you want a more viable choice, perhaps you should go with the candidate that can keep control of Congress and actually get some major initiatives through. My choice for that is pretty obvious, but you might have a candidate that you feel would be more effective.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:48 PM
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12. I'm at Edwards...
then Obama..then Edwards...so far..
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:49 PM
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13. The Political Machine that runs this country for the Trans-national Corporations
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 10:51 PM by patrice
is what put us in the mess that we're in.

The only real change that will allow other changes to develope is:
Public campaign finance;
Paper ballots marked by hand and counted in public on a national voting holiday (or holidays if you include a weekend);
And Fair political use of all public broadcast resources and the internet.

Unlike the status quo, these changes will result in a more fair chance for any and all of our fine candidates to succeed and the only candidate who brings us even one step closer to these kinds of changes is John Edwards. BO and HC are The Machine covering its bets on the opposite ends of the main issue spectrum of the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq, with Hillary on the pro-War end of the spectrum and BO on the anti-this-War end of that spectrum. Look at where their money comes from; that is NOT change. That's The Machine and all of the so-called "Independents" and cross-overs that you hear about voting for BO are, in my experience, usually un-informed power-hounds, who can and will abandon whomever they are currently supporting in order to demonstrate their power, because for them it's about the power and influence; it's not about the issues.
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rjones2818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:09 PM
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14. Since Kucinich isn't out
even though that's what the front-runners and the party want you to think, then Kucinich.

The choice for you is obvious. If Dennis does drop out, then pick any one of those who are left. What you'll get is window dressing, but not Universal Health Care. What you'll get is a drawdown and relocating of troops somewhere in the middle east, not out of Iraq completely and not out of the middle east.
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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:12 PM
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15. Are you in NH? (n/t)
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