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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:13 PM
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Obama won the debate by staying out of the fray and on message
Hillary's angry retort about her 35 years of experience to Edwards with her eyes glaring and getting shrill will be the soundbite that will be played over and over again. It might look good to devout Hillary supporters, but it will play very negatively to anyone else.

Obama was able to let Edwards hit a few jabs at Hillary Clinton and stay out of the mix. Richardson used his Good Cop Bad Cop schtick to say we all need to get along and then going into why he's the best guy...whatever, Bill.

Hillary tried lobbing negative jabs at Obama and he basically just kept on message. I'm sure Hillary's attempts will be part of the new negative ads she will launch out of desperation. She's like a boxer now flailing at thin air trying to connect. The mat is not far away from dealing with her thud.

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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:14 PM
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1. Not even Obama supporters think he won ...
They're acknowledging that while he did not embarrass himself, Edwards won by a mile.

Were you watching?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:30 PM
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4. All Obama had to do to win was to stay on message and not have any gaffes
He did both.

You can argue that Edwards was more on the attack mode on Hillary and I agree. Did he win? What? He smacked at Hillary's meme and she looked angry and shrill. But did it give him more support in the debate with voters in New Hampshire? I doubt it.

Obama let them shoot at each other. He walked out of the room unscatched and with continuing momentum.

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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:23 AM
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7. Well, to some he just looked
uninspired ... like someone 'playing it safe' while riding on the wave of a win.
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MzShellG Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:05 PM
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27. Well
If thats what he did, that was good strategic thinking. It certainly won't loose him any votes. The thing is, what was Hillary thinking? Her performance in the debate sure didn't win her any votes from the undecideds in NH or SC.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:25 AM
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8. Obama did WIN the debate, but Edwards had the best debate
I thought Edwards was the strongest, but I thought this debate was a win for Obama, because Edwards took his side against Clinton, and Clinton will lose some because she appeared to angry and nasty.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:51 AM
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9. That's pretty much true... Edwards did what he had to do
Obama did what he had to do. Clinton did what she shouldn't have done, if only because the media will play that eruption portion over and over again. I seriously doubt that they will not. And for that, she is on the defensive just when she shouldn't be.

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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:15 PM
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2. I am still voting Obama
but i respect edwards more today
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mth44sc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:16 PM
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3. What was the message?
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:45 PM
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5. Edwards did great tonight
He impressed me.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:06 AM
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6. I like how Edwards got Hillary to explode and thus get the video needed
She came across as angry and that video will play like the Dean Scream did. Edwards fully pulled her out of the Team Clinton Overmanagement Closet and let her dig her won grave. That soundbite will be more damaging than her performance in Philadelphia...

Edwards may have won in some people's eyes, but I doubt he gets a bounce,,,






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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:53 AM
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10. Yes, and "staying out of the fray" is such a great quality in a world leader.
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:00 AM
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12. Wouldn't be prudent. Gotta have unity and hope
Hope is the solution.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:01 AM
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13. And...remember to "stay out of the fray"! And...Change, too! Change..something. That's good too!
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:02 AM
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14. and Don't Quit Changing
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:03 AM
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15. I HOPE I don't quit CHANGING! Because CHANGE and HOPE are all I need to succeed!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:05 AM
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19. Just don't stray into the fray! You'll lose hope and really look the dope!
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 03:06 AM by Bluebear
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:48 AM
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21. Yup. We need a President who takes off the gloves and dives right into places like the Middle East
Damn that high-minded nonsense of restraint and caution and staying out of the fray. Time to get down 'n dirty, fightin' and kickin' ass!
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VarnettaTuckpocket Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:04 AM
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23. Maybe he should've hid behind one of the potted plants while he was at it!
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 11:04 AM by VarnettaTuckpocket
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:55 AM
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24. Watching your opponent go off the rails is a much better position to be in
Perhaps you are new at politics and the art of war...
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:53 AM
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11. My team never wins when they try "Prevent Defense"
And I think Obama lost a few points to Edwards playing it. But I'm bias. ;)
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:21 AM
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16. Yup, Obama stayed out of the fray...
kept his skirts clean so to speak...just as he does and has done with his present votes. Jeez, If he never makes a decision he cannot be blamed for anything. In this case, by not taking a stand, he comes out so much cleaner than Hillary.

Obama's major problem is not making decisions for or against. Those are also his major talking points. I was against the war(I didn't vote), I was for(or against)but voted present so I am Mr Clean.

Hillary frequently makes decisions, sometimes right by our standards and sometimes wrong, but she does make decisions and she does take stands.

This is a simple no brainer--how will Obama as president avoid taking the blame for decisions? I don't think even he has figured this one out.

Actually, the stronger Obama is Michelle--she said something to the effect that if you don't win Iowa, we are going home. Now thats a decision. Wonder if we have the wrong Obama running?
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:53 AM
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18. Actually, I think he played Nickle Defense.
Sometimes it's better to give up the 7 yard run than the 65 yard touchdown.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:33 AM
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17. that was my impression too.
It started off with a half hour of neocon-style 'defense,' hillary's supposed strong suit, but Obama showed he'd done his homework and stood head and shoulders above the others throughout the whole circus.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:44 AM
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20. The critical moment when Hillary exploded will be a benchmark of her undoing
It's evident all over the net and on the TV. Hillary had to attack Obama but come across as civil and as a leader. She failed.

Suddenly Clinton was alone, angry, and lecturing. The words themselves don't do the moment justice, but here they are: "I want to make change, but I've already made change. I will continue to make change. I'm not just running on a promise of change. I'm running on 35 years of change."

ABC's Jake Tapper sees it as The Moment. "Frankly, I don't even really understand what she was saying. What I was getting was how angry she is. Not about an issue, so much, as about the fact that Obama is beating her," Tapper writes. "The clip, I predict, will be played again and again and again." (Naturally, it was YouTubed before the debate was over.)

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=3105288&page=1


Edwards did what he had to do to hit Hillary's button and she went off. Obama just sat back and watched her go off the rails.

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Native Donating Member (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:37 PM
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34. "EXPLODED"?
Are all you Hillary haters on drugs or something? WTF???
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:53 AM
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22. "Present!"
:smoke:
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MalloyLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:56 AM
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25. Staying out of the fray? He had to respond to Hillary's attacks
And some of them he didn't answer.
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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:10 PM
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26. For viewers seeing him for first time, Obama was very 'Presidential'
I lean towards Edwards and I watched with some family members (moderates) who had not seen any previous debates or Obama speeches. They were turned off over the Edwards/Clinton squabble but very impressed with Obama's calm demeanor and thoughtful intelligent answers.
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Native Donating Member (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:49 PM
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35. It was my first time seeing/hearing Obama
and I was anything but impressed.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:23 PM
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28. If you thought obama won by sitting there and looking like the
national director of morticians, then you would say Bill Richardson was a house a fire last night. Always said, give obama a mic and let him speak before a crowd and it's that "old tyme religion" once again. Obama has changed his speech patterns more so to the pattern set by MLK and this had to have been orchestrated.

So, I guess if a man had responded in kind like hrc did last evening then you all would be saying, Oh man, he stood his ground and came out with guns a blazing, but since it's hrc and a woman she was to just sit there and be so sweet looking and not say a word. BS! HRC saw the double team coming and she handled it with the "court savy" she has. Not only was that response to edwards but to obama as well. She did herself proud last night.

The mediawhores will not say anything negative against obama. WHY is that? Are they afraid because he is black? WHY have there been no full examination of obama? No, what the mediawhores are doing is exactly what they did with bush. Tell us how good a fellow he is and how folks would like to drink a beer with him, etc etc. If that happens again this country will soon slide further down that hill. Obama is like bush. He is all hat and no cattle.....and if you are swayed because the man can deliver a speech then thank you for helping in dumbing down this country even further.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:12 PM
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31. Hate much? Your attitude is part of the big problem. Honest
criticism is a lot more welcome that just slamming a candidate with your inanities.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:25 PM
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29. Yes, his "message". He stayed on "message".
His, uh, message.

What's his message, again?
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:03 PM
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30. Obama was weak, vague and this is not a good forum for him
He can orate, but when it gets down to a conversational sit-down, he was easily the weakest.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:15 PM
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32. No he's not. He needs a good speech coach.
He has a bit of a stammering problem. He's great doing speeches because it's like singing, with rhythm and cadence. People who stutter or stammer never do so while singing.
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Native Donating Member (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:35 PM
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33. Staying out of the fray and on message....
is not what I'd call winning. If you're not going to contribute, why bother to show up? It was a debate, not a commercial.
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