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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:39 PM
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MSNBC shows Hillary with 2nd highest delegate count. UGH BIAS!
They need to get their head out of their ass and realize there are more than 2 in the race. It's right on the homepage.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:41 PM
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1. they are all listed... whats the problem?
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:42 PM
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2. I don't understand that at all, you know? nt
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:43 PM
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3. Obama, Clinton and Edwards.
16, 15, 14. :shrug:
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:48 PM
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4. UGH FACTS
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Anouka Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:17 AM
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10. you don't provide any.
at least, you don't provide illumination.

Thank you to Pasaran, JCMach1, Suston96 and LiberalFighter for doing so.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:50 PM
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5. I noticed that the other night... kind of surprised I haven't seen any discussion of it
My assumption is that the way delegates are awarded by districts in Iowa makes it possible that the apportionmnet of delegates doesn't track the overall statewide vote exactly---kind of like the way it's possible for a candidate to get fewer popular votes but still win the electoral vote.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:52 PM
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6. If you add superdelegates, HRC is winning
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:54 PM
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7. What are you talking about? That's the way the delegates were split.
Iowa apportions delegates. Not a winner take all. NH also apportions delegates.

So if you follow the delegate count, Obama's huge victory in Iowa resulted in a simple 1 delegate lead.

Maybe you are saying that Edwards wasn't mentioned in the MSNBC cable news?
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:33 AM
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21. No, I'm trying to figure out how Hillary is 2nd in the delegate count when she was 3rd in votes.
Another source earlier yesterday had her third in the delegate count with 14 and Edwards with 15.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:08 PM
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22. Actually she is currently leading in delegates
See graphic:
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:15 PM
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23. Obviously, I'm talking about the delegates from within the race so far (Iowa). n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:51 PM
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29. Superdelegates
These are elected leaders (and maybe party people - not sure here, but it seems Dean et al likely have a vote). When they declare for someone they are added to the tally. In 2004, Dean initially had the most - I think even after Iowa, he was highest - but super delegates can and do change.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:56 PM
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8. Hillary got the 2nd highest delegate count
That's why Edwards is LYING when he says he came in second. Among other things.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:13 AM
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9. He may not be lying intentionally
If they went by what was published it was BO 38% JE 30% and HC 29%
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:18 AM
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11. Good try. Edwards came in 2nd.
Hillary, however, had the superdelegates. She still placed third.
Where can I post about you LYING?
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:21 AM
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12. Edwards isn't even a factor anymore
he threw his support behind Obama tonight..
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:24 AM
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13. Did I miss the New Hampshire Primary?
Unless I did, you are full of shit. But nice try to marginalize Edwards.:eyes:
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:32 AM
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14. Oh please..if you think he will win by fawning over Obama
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 12:33 AM by KennedyGuy
you are the on full of..oh what was it now...
oh yeah..full of shit.
I know its hard to see a candidate throw in the towel but it'll be OK..he'll be in the cabinet..
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:35 AM
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15. If you hate Edwards
At least be honest instead of making shit up as you go along.
Edwards WON the debate tonight. He did not FAWN over Obama. What an ignorant assessment.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:37 AM
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16. I don't actually hate Edwards
but I can't see him doing anything but making the frontrunner stronger..
time will bear this out and everyone will be going nuts talking about what a bad strategy this was..
Edwards will NOT be able to take out Obama..
Once Hillary is gone..Edwards will sink as well.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:57 PM
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24. If you count placement by delegates earned, Edwards came in 3rd
That's not counting superdelegates, but the real "pledged" type.

In the end, delegate count is the only thing that matters. It's really as simple as that.

Doesn't matter anyway. Edwards needed a big win to survive past Iowa. He's trying to spin a measley quarter of a percentage point into a win, but he knows it's not true. And so does everyone else.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:39 AM
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17. What? is the report false? NO.... I said last night that if and that is
a big if obama wins nh and then sc he with iowa will have 84 delegates....Now in january there are more states then these two and hrc wins em and that is florida, michigan, nevada and from those in iowa HRC has 353 delegates.....
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:41 AM
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18. Psst..they won't understand numbers..
just say Hillary is satan and everything will be fine...
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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:48 AM
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19. Superdelagates can change their votes. They have not "voted" for Hillary
I do not know why any news organization would count their early pledges as a vote. It is irresponsible for any news organization to report their early pledges as votes. When Hillary loses in primary after primary, those Superdelegates will change their allegances to the future leader of the party, Edwards or Obama. They are politicians after all and they will do what they can to keep their jobs. The only way they will matter is if the delegate count is close going into the convention.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:00 AM
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20. Earlier I saw a list with Edwards second with 15 delegates and Hillary with 14. So what is the total
for each really?
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 04:35 PM
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25. Hillary got 15, Edwards only 14
The thing that surprised me is that Obama only 16, even tho he beat Hillary and Edwards pretty good.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:23 PM
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26. Edwards beat Hillary in Iowa, so how does she get 1 more from Iowa? n/t
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:23 PM
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27. Obviously, Edwards did NOT beat Hillary in Iowa
He merely had more people caucus for him. But not enough, and not in the right places, to beat her.

Look, before the caucus, there was a thread, maybe several, that quoted some NYT article about how Edwards would get more delegates than his numbers indicated because he would win rural areas. Unfortunately, Hillary won most of the rural areas. Edwards did better in yuppie land, and Obama did well everywhere, but especially in the big cities and university towns, which is why he didn't get delegates in proportion to his caucus count.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 08:35 PM
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28. Is there a website that has a breakdown of the delegates and which areas they came from...
...in individual states? What's the most detailed site out there?
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