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SHRED

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Sun Jan-06-08 09:57 AM
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I do like the fact that Edwards is getting a message out that I haven't heard, in my lifetime (51 years), and that he doesn't accept corporate PAC money, and the fact that he is out spent 6 to 1 in Iowa yet finishes 2nd.
Yes, he has flaws...and we could go after him however, the message is refreshing. I just don't know if he can overcome the big corporate money politics that run our country.

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SaveElmer

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Sun Jan-06-08 10:00 AM
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1. He didn't take PAC money in 1998...didn't stop him from voting for China Trade...

Yucca Mountain, IWR, first Bankruptcy bill and the Patriot Act...

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AndyA

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Sun Jan-06-08 10:12 AM
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2. I won't take the obvious path here and post all of Hillary's "bad" votes.

But she has a slew of them.

Including that nasty one regarding Iran, which some believe opened the door to Bush going to war with them...

At least Edwards has admitted he's made mistakes, and is taking steps to correct them. Where's Hillary's admission of a mistake?

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SaveElmer

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Sun Jan-06-08 04:43 PM
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3. Avoiding the point...which is Edwards hypocrisy...

I didn't say these were all bad votes...I am saying it is these votes which his refusal of PAC money progressives expected not to occur...and which he now apologizes for ...

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AndyA

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Sun Jan-06-08 04:55 PM
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4. I don't see the hypocrisy in that.

He made mistakes, he's admitted it and he's taking action to try to correct those mistakes.

I haven't met a human yet who hasn't made mistakes.

I don't agree with Edwards 100%, but I do believe he's in the best position to make the changes we need in America today. And one of them is having a President who can admit when he's wrong.

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SaveElmer

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Mon Jan-07-08 10:00 AM
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7. Rose Colored glasses...

If it was one issue perhaps...and if he hadn't pulled this before perhaps...

On issue after issue he has flip flopped...yet given his track record...he will do it again...

He claims he is an agent of change and he is the one who can do it...yet his record says the exact opposite

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K Gardner

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Sun Jan-06-08 04:57 PM
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5. You call it hypocrisy, I call it evolution and enlightenment. If no one person

ever evolved from an idea or stance, no human progress would ever have been made to date. I probably said and did some things years ago that I regret, but as I grow and EVOLVE, I would hardly call myself a hypocrite for doing so.

Disingenuous argument, really.

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SaveElmer

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Mon Jan-07-08 10:01 AM
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8. Blinders...

Edwards has a track record of not living up to his rhetoric...and there is nothing in his background that indicates he has the skills necessary to effectuate any change...

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gmudem

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Sun Jan-06-08 05:04 PM
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6. You're kidding me

Clinton voted for the IWR and the Patriot Act as well! How nakedly hypocritical can you get??

http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/03/01/14_Edwards.html

Edwards was a more liberal senator than Clinton, even though she represents me from the blue state of New York. And I use the term "represent" loosely. It's more like "take advantage of a large blue state and use it as a platform to run for president."

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SaveElmer

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Mon Jan-07-08 10:06 AM
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9. Hillary isn't disavowing her past...Edwards is...

It is amazing how Edwards rank hypocrisy...his constant flip flopping...and the fact that he has pulled this pseudo populist schtick before is completely ignored by his supporters...

At least Hillary has the guts to stand by her record...a very good one with significant accomplishment..unlike Edwards...who os constantly apologizing for the one time he was in public office...

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abburdlen

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Mon Jan-07-08 10:23 AM
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10. He's done a tremendous job

bringing important issues to the discussion. He's put a spotlight on the abuses of corporations.
but whether call it an evolution or flip-flopping, the fact that his history doesn't match the speeches is an issue.

The article in today's Boston Globe highlights the issue fairly clearly.

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