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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:04 PM
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Just the health care issue alone should sink any repuke...where in the frick would people get the
money to buy their own???

WTF


they are soooooooo out of touch
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:10 PM
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1. I just love how they think sick people need to be more "responsible"
Our candidate should run ads featuring seriously ill people without healthcare telling their stories juxtaposed with the Republican candidate talking about "personal responsibility".
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:14 PM
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2. that woudl be perfect
jebus they are arrogant and ignorant
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Flatulo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:16 PM
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3. Here in Mass, you are now required to buy health insurance.
A friend of mine got laid off recently. When he went to MassConnector, the official site to get your mandatory insurance from, they used the money he made *last year* to calculate what his cost would be.

WTF? What does what he made last year have to do with anything? Today the guy doesn't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of. His cost for catastrophic coverage only is almost $800/month. This is with a $5000 deductable and no prescription coverage.

It would be quicker and more merciful to just line up the unemployed and machine gun them.

Can you friggin' imagine having $800 per month to spend on a shitty plan while unemployed?

This is a fucking disaster. Do NOT fall for these mandatory insurance plans ala Romney.
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nancyharris Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:35 PM
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5. Sorry to hear about your friend's health insurance problem.
If he/she was recently laid off, they might investigate COBRA which allows them to extend their existing insurance for 18 months at a rather reasonable cost (reasonable, if family coverage was lost).

My son is in the same position. However MA now requires all businesses to offer a form of health insurance to their employees (even part-time employees). My son now has a part-time job and full health insurance ($1K major medical deductible) which costs him $68.00 per month.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:45 PM
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6. How much does he make?
$68 on a low income part time job is way way too much.
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nancyharris Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:52 PM
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7. About $1,000.00 a month
I think it is an extremely good deal.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:05 PM
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8. I guess if he supported kids
and lived on his own, they'd consider his expenses? Because a single mom with one kid couldn't pay that $68 a month.
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nancyharris Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:20 PM
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11. I agree
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 02:24 PM by nancyharris
but politicians will argue about universal health care for the next 20 years (as they have for the last 20 years) and in the meantime paying $68.00 per month for health care is considerably better than not having any health care at all. The new Mass health care laws are not perfect, by any means but they are an honest attempt to make health care in our State more affordable and until something better comes along I am grateful that my son has health insurance.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:29 PM
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12. Well, not if that's your heat bill
Here, the lowest amount is 5% of the monthly premium and it goes up from there based on income. So if there was a $300 plan, which a young person should qualify for, then the monthly premium would be $15, maybe $30, for someone like your son. That's why I don't support mandates until we start getting the reality of the numbers figured out. I agree we need to just start moving forward, we have in Oregon, and I am so grateful because I wouldn't have insurance otherwise. I just don't want people bankrupted in the process.
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nancyharris Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:53 PM
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15. Mass has a similar sliding scale
for health insurance subsidies for those not able (for one reason or another) to get employer coverage. The downside to such a plan however is what happens when the economy goes into recession and State tax revenues dry up.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:21 PM
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16. Oregon isn't fully funded now
Lots of people can't get help because there isn't enough money. They're also always looking at care provided and making cuts here and there. I'm not sold on any particular model, I see problems any way we go. As long as this is a capitalist country, money will be made on medical research and it will be expensive. I just don't see how to change that basic reality. It isn't only insurance companies that make money on health care.
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Flatulo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:24 PM
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17. Yeah, the Massconnector plan turned out to be abou the same price as COBRA.
So he went with COBRA because he could get a low deductable.
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Flatulo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 08:46 PM
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20. But there's a loophole...
If an employer chooses to not offer their people insurance, they need only pay a small fine that is MUCH smaller than the cost of any insurance plan. This money then goes to subsidize the plans for lower-income people.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:36 PM
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14. Mandates in action
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:44 PM
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18. Flatulo, can you give me a link that gives info on the Massachusetts plan?
I am specifically looking for info on rates.

Is there an official site?

TIA.
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Flatulo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:55 PM
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19. Here ya go...
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 03:57 PM by Flatulo
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:32 PM
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21. Thanks! n/t
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:27 PM
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4. Republicans want people to save money..
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 01:41 PM by flaminbats
then their neocon campaign donors can take all they wish of our hard earned dollars!

Republicans claim to be PRO-LIFE, but the sacrifice and cost paid just to endure such luxuries as chemotherapy or kidney dialysis are justified..even if the patients lose everything they worked for in return for nothing. Republicans only want to make this world such a miserable place to live in, that no sane fetus would dare leave the womb! :crazy:
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:05 PM
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9. Republican voters aren't concerned with health care
they're just not.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:07 PM
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10. republicans will buy the election to keep health care away form Americans
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:35 PM
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13. Republicans are screwed
I have strong disagreements with our candidates, but they out-class their republican counterparts to a ridiculous degree. They represented diversity, intelligence, and discussed the problems of every day people.

The republicans are a joke. A bunch of pandering out-of-touch jackasses, and they are pandering to the small third of the population who believe Bush can do no wrong. Whoever wins will have to alter their position 180 degrees in some cases if they want to stand a chance in winning the general election, and if they do they will look, well... like flip-floppers.
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