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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:07 PM
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Ob ama has gone so far as to say that his support of reproductive rights may not be infallible.
What is the next step for this deeply religious man? A revelation that his moral misgivings necessitate a change to "pro-life", in the tradition of Romney, Reagan and Bush I?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:08 PM
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1. What is the next step for this deeply religious man?
Probably continuing to kick your desperate, slime-spewing ass. Seen the latest New Hampshire polling? Americans are sick of this kind of slimeball campaigning.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:10 PM
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9. Obama supporters behave just like Bush supporters.
Fanatic and nasty. Go for it, sweetie. You'll win. Bush did. But it won't be a change.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:12 PM
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14. Only on DU can opposition to unsourced "what-if" swiftboating be likened to "Bush."
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 02:12 PM by Occam Bandage
Americans don't like bullshit campaigning like this. They're responding in kind.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:40 PM
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44. I agree.
I have posted that exact statement several times. I don't get it. Very uncivil and ALWAYS RIGHT! no pun intended.:eyes::eyes:
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:13 PM
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20. As someone who likes both Edwards and Obama, I AGREE!
The slime thrown at Obama around here is disgusting.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:08 PM
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2. Shame
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:08 PM
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3. Hell yes. Don't trust this empty suit.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:11 PM
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Instead, trust someone who voted for the IWR
Brilliant plan!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:12 PM
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16. Yeah. Obama wasn't even "Present" for that.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:13 PM
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23. "Voted" is too weak. "Co-sponsored" is more like it.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:21 PM
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33. Like John Kerry?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:22 PM
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34. That worked so well, too. There were no trust/credibility issues on the war there.
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 02:22 PM by Occam Bandage
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:09 PM
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4. You're on a roll there, Junior! eom
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:09 PM
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5. Obama had better think long and hard about the choice issue...
abortions, safe and legal or from backstreet butchers will continue as they always have. If Obama chooses to get in the way, the women of this country and many men will sink his lifeboat very quickly.

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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:10 PM
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8. Obama is completely pro-choice.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:13 PM
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19. For now. Stay tuned.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:14 PM
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24. a "revelation" may be forthcoming. nt.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:16 PM
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29. Pathetic fearmongering.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:51 PM
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39. Pathetic groupy.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:08 PM
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40. LMAO. Let's see what a Google search turns up...
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 03:11 PM by Occam Bandage
Occam Bandage, on Obama's anti-war stance:

"It's very easy to say, "I am against this" when the cameras aren't on you. It's very easy to claim you would have made a principled choice and not an expedient choice when the choice is not before you. I'm not impressed with anti-war rhetoric; even Bush claimed he didn't want war. I am impressed with action and action alone, and Obama has not shown any more spine than Clinton has ever since his election to the Senate."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3871114&mesg_id=3871166

Occam Bandage, on Obama's habit of skipping tough votes:

"No excuse for missing votes, for any candidate. I'm sorry, but voting is what we elected you to do. As a constituent, this goes double for you, Barack. I would much, much rather it be Dick Durbin running."
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3803179#3803

Occam Bandage, on Obama's failure to speak out against the war in 2004:

"So his explanation is, "I couldn't really say what I believed, because it would be unpopular, and I wanted to go along with what the party wanted." Is that much better? ...I'll probably vote for Obama in the primary if he and HRC are close, simply to avoid a Hillary candidacy*****. However, that doesn't mean I'm going to excuse his actions."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3794882#3796300

Occam Bandage, on Obama's voting record compared to Hillary's:

"Obama's voting record in the Senate is no better than Clinton's...What can you point to? Their mutual funding of the war? Her K-L vote--which Obama ducked? That isn't a winning argument; make it an issue, and she gets an opportunity to defend her vote, while Obama has to apologize for (yet again) failing to take a position.

Seriously, where's the difference? The few issues that Clinton has failed to vote the right way on are the same few issues that Obama has failed to vote the right way on."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3867450&mesg_id=3867697


***** Note: I was a Bidenite until Biden dropped out.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:20 PM
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41. My bad. You're a genuinely objective supporter.
:thumbsup:

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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:16 PM
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28. I think attacking a candidate for a position they haven't and will not take
is kinda desperate.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:12 PM
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15. He has. He's worked damned hard to keep abortion legal.
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 02:12 PM by chascarrillo
If you don't know that, look up his record.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:10 PM
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6. Could you provide
a link to that quote please?

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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:13 PM
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21. Good luck. That's not even a quote.
The OP should be ashamed.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:15 PM
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25. Figured as much
Just trying to keep the discussion honest. Too much to expect, I guess.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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Mr_Monday Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:10 PM
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7. Hillary Clinton will lose, get over it. nt
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:11 PM
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13. Probably.
But since you all sound exactly like Bushies, there will be no change.
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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:10 PM
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10. Drinking the Taylor Marsh Armando DLC Kool-Aid again
Prescription for your ailment;

3 weeks of Kinoki foot pads.

order 1 800-CintonsToast
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:10 PM
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11. THE KING HAS SPOKEN
Next his conversations with God will be spread all over the MSM and the net. But he'll show us all the phone he uses....not like bush having private ones in the Rose Garden.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:11 PM
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12. I smell...yes, there it is...DESPERATION! It is an ugly smell, too. nt
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:12 PM
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17. Is he against killing a child when its viable outside the womb
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 02:13 PM by dmordue
and healthy and the mothers health is ok? would draw the line there....
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:13 PM
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22. he has moral misgivings about abortion. nt.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:15 PM
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27. As virtually everyone does with issues of life and death. He's still entirely pro-choice.
In fact, he's pro-choice largely because he does not believe that anyone has the right to make such an important decision for anyone else.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:40 PM
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37. I have moral misgivings about abortion, but not about a woman's
right to choose. The fact that I never chose abortion for myself, for whatever reason, does not mean that I am qualified to make that decision for another woman. I believe that still makes me pro-choice.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:12 PM
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18. Are you going to try to parse Obama's words into support for Hillary all day?
Not going to convince any people here, I don't suspect.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:15 PM
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26. What, no completly dishonest out-of-context quotation?
Either you're losing your touch, or you're sick of getting called on your outright lies.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:19 PM
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30. I did....so you can justifiy it. nt.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:21 PM
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32. Huh?
Coherence helps.

:rofl:
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:20 PM
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31. I thought Obama had made his support pretty clear.
Senator Barack Obama (D-IL)
Choice Statement:
Sen. Barack Obama submitted the following statement upon NARAL Pro-Choice America's request.

"A woman's ability to decide how many children to have and when, without interference from the government, is one of the most fundamental rights we possess. It is not just an issue of choice, but equality and opportunity for all women.

"I have consistently advocated for reproductive choice and will make preserving women's rights under Roe v. Wade a priority as President. I oppose any constitutional amendment to overturn the Supreme Court's ruling in this case.

"I believe we must work together to reduce the number of unintended pregnancies. I support legislation to expand access to contraception, health information, and preventative services to help reduce unintended pregnancies. That is why I co-sponsored the Prevention First Act of 2007, which will increase funding for family planning and comprehensive sex education that teaches both abstinence and safe sex methods. It will also end insurance discrimination against contraception, improve awareness about emergency contraception, and provide compassionate assistance to rape victims.

"Finally, I support the enactment and enforcement of laws that help prevent violence, intimidation, and harassment directed at reproductive health providers and their patients."

Voting Record:
Sen. Obama received the following scores on NARAL Pro-Choice America's Congressional Record on Choice.

2006: 100 percent
2005: 100 percent

Public Statements about Choice:
A selection of Sen. Obama's public statements on this issue is below.

"You know, I think that most Americans recognize that this is a profoundly difficult issue for the women and families who make these decisions. They don't make them casually. And I trust women to make these decisions in conjunction with their doctors and their families and their clergy."


http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/elections/statements/obama.html

Do you have a link to dispute this? If not, I suggest that you are just trying repeating rumors.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:24 PM
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35. Oh, don't do that...soon well see the OP posting this:
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 02:25 PM by alcibiades_mystery
SCARY PRO-LIFE QUOTE FROM OBAMA!!!!!

"A woman's ability to decide how many children to have and when...is not...for all women."

-----------------

That's the kind of liar we're dealing with in the OP, as proven in his other dishonest posts. For example:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2597509
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:33 PM
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36. If women are lucky
he will only sell us out for the Talibornagin vote. But he won't mean it, really. Look at his record. Have some faith people! :eyes:
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:46 PM
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100 percent rating from the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20080105/clinton-obama-abortion/

During his eight years in the legislature, Obama cast a number of votes on abortion and received a 100 percent rating from the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council for his support of abortion rights, family planning services and health insurance coverage for female contraceptives.

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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:46 PM
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38. 100 percent rating from the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20080105/clinton-obama-abortion/

During his eight years in the legislature, Obama cast a number of votes on abortion and received a 100 percent rating from the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council for his support of abortion rights, family planning services and health insurance coverage for female contraceptives.

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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:26 PM
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42. Blah blah blah blah blah....
Shut up with this corporate DLC-propaganda.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:28 PM
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43. Don't you have a temple to raid or an ark to find or something
generally better to do?
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