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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:21 AM
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Have we reached a tipping point?
When you break down the numbers on the supporters of Obama and Clinton. There seems to be a split at 50 and up. Does this indicate we are reaching the point where a new generation is coming into its own that no longer sees things in terms of race?

If not why does the support seem to turn at that age marker?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:24 AM
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1. If I had to guess
I'd say it's 'Nam/Post-'Nam.

There just seems to be a different political ethos between people who lived through those times and people who didn't. :shrug:
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:31 AM
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6. I don't see that....
My parents are from the "Nam" generation.. they support Obama.
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wundermaus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:26 AM
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2. What I suspect is an intentional effort
to falsify the statistics with the masked intent of manipulating the outcome of election results by giving the appearance of razor thin differences... that can be easily nudged this way and that toward the desired results.
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monktonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:28 AM
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3. huh? n/t
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:01 AM
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12. They're screwing with the polls
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 02:04 AM by Viva_La_Revolution
to drive the race. Maybe to falsify the results.

in a nutshell. :)
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monktonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:03 AM
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14. how did you guys get that from the OP
I might be reading it wrong but I'm pretty sure the poster
is asking if America has finally reached a tipping point
where race no longer matters.

You guys are talking about messed up polls?
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:05 AM
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15. yes, and election fraud.
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 02:09 AM by Viva_La_Revolution
Edit to add: I think theirs been a great wave of change with the new generation coming up, I've done my best to foster it with my boys. I'm just not sure we can trust the polls to be accurate. :shrug:
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monktonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:08 AM
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16. where is that in the post??
Are you dodging the original question?
Just askin.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:13 AM
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17. It's not.
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 02:14 AM by Viva_La_Revolution
You said "huh?"

and I re-stated the poster's statement, a lame attempt at humor. :blush: I blame it on the merlot. :D
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monktonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:15 AM
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18. ah the dangers of drinking and typing.
Have a sip for me!
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:30 AM
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4. I'm over 50 and I'm ready for some new blood
I won't mind a bit if the next President is under 50 as long as he or she can undo the damage done in the last 7 years and maybe undo some of the things done in the last 27 years (even Bill did some things I'd like to see undone, like NAFTA).

Sometimes it takes a level of energy that is just hard for someone over 55 or 60 to generate. I know I can't accomplish as much as I could 10 years ago... though age has given me more "wisdom" (knowing WHAT to do and recognizing situations much more quickly than when I was younger).

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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:31 AM
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5. Just targeted marketing at work.
Well targeted I should add.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:33 AM
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7. Obama has an amazingly diverse demographic base.
His crossover appeal is formidable.
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:38 AM
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8. I doubt he has crossover appeal. His appeal right now is Dems and Dem-leaning Independents
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:43 AM
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9. You would be wrong to underestimate his crossover appeal.
Much has been written on the subject.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:55 AM
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10. Is This Yet Another Attempt to Paint Obama-non-supporters as Racist? (Racist Old Fogies At That)
While at the same time we are asked to ignore BHO's pandering to anti-gay bigotry in the black community. Why did he do it? Why did he even think it was necessary to do it? Surely it should not be so hard for the first viable black Presidential candidate to secure black votes without selling out to the likes of Donnie McLurkin!

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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:01 AM
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13. No its an attempt to figure out where the split comes from
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:22 AM
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19. BHO Has Been Courting Younger Voters and Dissing "Baby-Boomers"
The "split" you speak of has been engineered by Obama's campaign.

I think it is also a bit presumptuous to assume that those of us over 50 support Hillary. Hardly anyone on DU supports Hillary. I'm not sure who does, actually.

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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 05:29 AM
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24. I am not assuming it
Thats thats what the polls say
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:31 AM
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22. It didn't come off that way. n/t
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:56 AM
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11. Consider how the younger generation has grown up.
Mainstream music is dominated by rap, hip-hop, and that stuff they call "R&B" that doesn't really resemble the classic R&B, but I guess nobody's found a better name for it.

In my opinion, most of it is sadly lacking in musical appeal, compared to what I grew up on, but the good thing about this, is that white kids are growing up with their musical idols being a much more diverse mix than what previous generations have seen. In the movies... Will Smith is as much of a box office action hero as Harrison Ford was in his Han Solo/Indiana Jones prime. Even Ice Cube, who once rapped obscenities about the Los Angeles Police Department is now making PG movies you can take the kids to.

Most professional sports as well, are no longer the exclusive domain of "white guys". Name a sports figure off the top of your head from the recent past. Michael Jordan is the best basketball player who ever lived. Tiger Woods? Golf's not my sport, but I know enough to know he's a legend. And it's not just African Americans either. Up here in Seattle Mariners land, some of the most popular players have been named "Ichiro Suzuki", "Edgar Martinez", even "Alex Rodiguez" before he sold out to the Texas Rangers for more money than a certain Chimp paid for the entire team just a few years earlier. And Ken Griffey Jr... can't ever forget that guy, even though he left years ago.

Point of all this rambling.... If you grow up believing race doesn't make a damn bit of difference in your music, movies, or sports, why should it make a damn bit of difference in politics?

If all these bullshit prejudices cease to exist altogether in another generation or two, I'll gladly cheer the kids on from the nursing home. :bounce:
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:26 AM
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20. Possibly, but a lot more may be at work
Reading through the thread there is some I agree and some I disagree.

I under fifty but have family members over 50. (most) The most liberal is a Hillary supporter. I think he is impacted by his perceived slight of the baby boomers.

I have hard core HARD FUCKING CORE repblican friends and neighbors who are split. Some follow the mantra a woman or black can't be elected (to justify thier unjustifiable Shrub votes and their upcoming repuke vote) the other half is for.... Obama. The admit their mistake and are comfortable to admit that Obama is the choice.

As for being color blind, let's hope it has changed.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:29 AM
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21. No, as a 50 year old, I do not view things in terms of race. Please do not promote this idea.
It is a bad idea to do this. You are either bigoted or your are not- age does not play into it.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:34 AM
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23. Of course it does
it reflects the environment you were brought up in. I am not trying to say all people over 50 are racist nor am i really trying to say that split comes from racism.

I would like to know what causes that split and why at that age marker.

You cant really say age doesnt play a part in your views of the world. 50 years ago there wasnt a chance in hell a blackman would be president of the US nor a woman for that matter. What changed?
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 06:40 AM
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25. Sexism, on the other hand, is as strong as ever with the young generation.
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