Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

The problem with Hillary

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:59 PM
Original message
The problem with Hillary
The US as a whole just doesn't like her very much, not as much as we were initially led to believe. For whatever reason. It doesn't really matter why, because when someone flat out doesn't like a candidate, they will not vote for her/him, regardless of what the candidate says or does. Likability is pretty big, whether you care to admit it or not. I am not exaggerating when I say almost all of the people I know or have talked politics with have strong feelings against her and would rather go Republican or Independent than vote for her. I wouldn't go that far myself, but I will openly admit that I don't care for her and would really have to hold my nose at the polls. Fire away, as usual, but I'm guessing most potential respondents are on my ignore list anyway. :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:05 PM
Response to Original message
1. Most of those types won't vote for a candidate with a (D) anyways
The suggestion that there is a significant population that simply won't vote for a Clinton irregardless of her party affiliation is a bit of an overhyped stretch pushed by the fringes of both the far left and the far right.

Btw, for someone who hasn't been around long enough to break the 200-post barrier yet, it is a little odd to have an extensive ignore list. If you do, the problem is more likely with you than with them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. Whatever you say
I was tired of the constant polls that showed how inevitable Hillary was, and the people that boast of smears against Obama. I'm just giving my opinion on perhaps Hillary's biggest problem. Just because I don't post constantly, doesn't mean I haven't seen plenty of DU, btw. And, every person that I speak politics with are indeed Dems, believe it or not!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
iconocrastic Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #5
24. It's amazing the logical contortions HRC supporters go through
rather than face the fact that HRC has been broken from the beginning and can't be fixed.

Beating a dead horse, and by this I mean everything she represents.

Time for these disgusting baby boomers to step aside.

What have they ever accomplished anyway?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:06 PM
Response to Original message
2. General Clark was my candidate
and my state's (Mississippi) primary is late and irrelevant so I have not jumped into the Primary wars but I have never disliked Hillary. I don't know what about her is unlikeable. I think it may be a case of what the right wing noise machine wants people to think. Surely you have not talked to millions of people who dislike her.

I will wholeheartedly support and provide some limited financial support to whomever gets the dem nomination. I will do so without holding my nose. Whomever our nominee is will be head and shoulders above any garbage the republicans put forth.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:10 PM
Response to Original message
3. No, we need the candidate with high negatives and excess baggage.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:11 PM
Response to Original message
4. Only 173 posts and you have an extensive ignore list?
Why do you even bother? At the rate you're going, you won't be able to read 99% of the posts here before you even have 1000 posts yourself. :shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. Only about 20 overly ardent Hil supporters
that I was tired of. Yeah, I guess that is about 99%.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. Gotcha.
I only have about 4 or 5 on my list, and it's kind of funny to watch one or more of them follow me around the board, posting replies to my posts.

And I don't see any of them. Pretty cool feature when used properly.

Welcome to DU. :hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. Hey, how do you see someones "ignores"? Thanks.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. It just says Ignored in the post title and where their user name would appear.
You have no idea what they said, or who it was. When you come to the spot in the message thread where they posted, that message doesn't appear at all.

:)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. OK, at the risk of "appearing" stupid, how did you see "obama-is-the-future's" ignores. Bear with me
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. Very witty
Don't quit your day job.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #20
22. Huh?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #18
25. From the OP:

"Fire away, as usual, but I'm guessing most potential respondents are on my ignore list anyway."


From this the other poster concluded Obama-is-the-Future must have an "extensive list".


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:15 PM
Response to Original message
7. The only candidate I like is Rudy. Now what?
I don't much like any of the 3 Democrats (one bores me, two annoy me) and I hate most of the RePUKES except if I "had to have a beer" I'd have it with asshole Ghouliani. No effect on my vote.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. The people of DU go deeper with their politics
The average person, however, may not. We can talk issues and Senate votes all day, but it doesn't mean squat to many, many people. That is my point.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. thats a ringing endorsement for Obama. nt.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #8
21. good point but I also think people are easily SCARED and fear trumps "like" so therefore
that's where I see Clinton's advantage. I think the PUKES will try and probably succeed in bringing national security/terrorism/Iran to the front for 08 and that Obama doesn't instill confidence in that area. If this were 2000 and everyone thought all was fine with economy and foreign affairs then I'd say LIKE factor was the biggest and Obama would run away with it. This year, don't think so.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:20 PM
Response to Original message
11. The only problem for Hillary is that people have known her longer than any of the other candidates
It's just a matter of time and they'll all be equally disliked. Then the Goddess of Peace will blow everyone else away. :smoke:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #11
15. Obama is the New Sweet Young Thing. Clinton and Edwards are old news to the press. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:25 PM
Response to Original message
13. My problem is that she never understood
She never understood nor cared why so many Democrats were opposed to her nomination.

She never cared that she was splitting the party like no other Dem candidate could.

She only seemed to believe that she was entitled to the presidency and anybody opposed be damned, regardless of party affiliation.

She never understood the impact of her running.

She never understood that we are fed up with Bushes and Clintons.

Thank goodness I won't be alive when Chelsea runs against a Bush twin, and if the Clintons and Bushes have anything to do with it, it will happen. They'll never step aside.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JohnnyBoots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #13
23. She also stole a lot of hype and resources from Al in 2000 for her Senate run. That showed me what
a good Democrat she is. A lot of people don't remember that, I see it as pretty unforgivable.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:31 PM
Response to Original message
16. Hmm, only one ignored so far
Guess I was wrong!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:32 PM
Response to Original message
17. Wonder how much they would have liked Obama if the MSM
and the republicans had carried out a dirt bag campaign against him for 15 to 20 years. If the MSM and the republicans were still sand bagging him over and over.....wonder where in this country he would be loved. NO DAMN WHERE. It is a shame that the republicans own the newspapers. It is a shame that they own cable and network TV. If they didn't want Obama as the candidate they would be hounding him night and day they way they do Hillary.

For damn starters just what has she done that you can post that is so so horrible. Just what the hell are her views that are so so horrible.

The fact is Obama doesn't have any he yells and chants and dances and says I'm for change. Well heck a doddle what kind of change what change I have not hear him say ONE THING HE IS GOING TO DO TO CHANGE. I do know he sure likes to skips the hard votes in the senate. He likes to make sure he is proven negative because he made the wrong choice, because he don't make no choice....

Tell me please his big big ideas for this country. You can skip health insurance after he has to sneak two health care lobbyist on his campaign so he can be sure to get corporate health insurance's rules all laid out. What I would like is also why Hillary is so bad bad bad....she at least doesn't want to bomb Iran and we all know Obama does.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:33 PM
Response to Original message
19. Two
.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 16th 2024, 11:49 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC