Let's just call it for what it is, okay?

Obama supporters love and support everything Obama...Edwards/Clinton supporters hate everything Obama.
Edwards supporters love and support everything Edwards...Clinton/Obama supporters hate everything Edwards.
Clinton supporters love and support everything Clinton...Obama/Edwards supporters hate everything Obama.

So let's call it what it really is...ideological candidate support. It IS NOT racism. It is NOT sexism.
At least the majority of it is not. Of course I am going to defend my candidate against your petty insults, and you will defend your candidate from what you perceive to be petty insults. It is the process of the primaries.

I abhor those who try to make it into that, because that pretty much shows them for who they are.

We are at DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND, and for the most part, I think everyone here is above that fray.

when sexism and racism are employed in the critique.

It's true that it is not always the case --but there are certainly way too many cases of both being used.

It's like being a kid in a candy store.

Alot of people I know have the exact same position.

And I like Hillary, too. I just don't want her to be president.

I really don't think it's necessary to hate or bash one candidate in order to support another. All of our candidates would make very good presidents, unlike the group of losers on the other side.

We want a Democrat to win and I think we hurt our chances with all the nastiness. A house divided cannot stand...(forgot who said that!)

I agree!

http://bravenewfilms.org/election

Obama supporters love and support everything Obama...like Edwards but not as much as Obama...hate Clinton

Edwards supporters love and support everything Edwards...like Obama but not as much as Edwards...hate Clinton

Clinton supporters love and support everything Clinton...hate Obama/Edwards

Not cut and dry, but I'd venture that is the majority.

Why would supporters of any of these candidates hate any of the others?

Harboring hatred of any kind is not being above the fray, imho.

I don't think they really HATE them...dislike would be a better word.

But when I hear of people using the word hate, I don't typically think they mean dislike. But that's probably just little ol' fashioned me...

Hate is a bad word. I "dislike" the lack of "substance" in a candidate, but I dont' hate the candidate. Now what I would hate is to see another term of republicans in the whitehouse, that I would hate. And I am pretty sure I hate George Bush!:evilgrin:

that I posted earlier today that addresses that.

...that doesn't mean I think that any one of the other candidates is a total sham. They're all accomplished, intelligent, and right for America IMO.

Such as pointing out that Hillary's experience is why I don't like her. When you look at the ground work the Clintons laid, it led us right to where we are today. China and India outsourcing. College plan that didn't help anybody go to college. People kicked off welfare without good paying jobs to go to. Ski resorts traded for land that didn't get permanently protected. "Stay the course" in Iraq instead of beginning withdrawal in 2005. So many things. And now we have her playing all sorts of sexist games and saying so has nothing to do with anything except the truth.

Yet agree on this basic principle.
We are in the mess we are in because of the last Clinton Presidency.
I always thought back then that she was an integral part of his administration.
I always said back then how lucky we would be if she were our first woman President.
Times change...and the policies enacted back then have harmed our country today.
NAFTA, for example.
But the ONE thing that I will never forgive Bill for is NOT prosecuting Iran Contra.
AND I feel strongly that Hillary won't prosecute the crimes of this administration.

almost everything you said.

Not all supporters of candidates feel the way you described. For example, some of us hate no other Democrat. Some of us don't love any of the candidates, including the one we now support.

The presence of ideological support does not confirm the absence of racism or sexism. These are independent concepts.

and even more okay with Kucinich, Dodd, and Biden. The one I hate first is Gravel, because he promotes the same UnFairTax bullsh*t that Huckabee does. After that I really, really, really do not like Hillary. Okay, maybe I hate her, I have said that before, and I think I have my reasons, but I don't hate everything about her. She's not as bad as Lieberman, Giuliani, Cheney, or Tony Snow.

Richardson I do not care for either. Mainly because he touted the easy answer of "economic growth" and also was so quick to oppose a tax increase on "working people" who make $110,000 a year.

Also, even before the primary season, many here are positive that I am a religious nut, and sexist (I have to be, since I am male and defend males against broad brush attacks) and racist (I have to be, since I am white and defend whites against broad brush attacks) and homophobic (again because I am straight and do not support GLBT issues over all others).

It is not just me, nor is it just primary season. We have long had all kinds of charges of racism during the immigration wars and the Tookie wars, and charges of anti-semitism during the Israel/Palestine wars, and so on, DUers were insulting the ancestry of other DUers over the Leopold article, to name just a few. The primary season just means we have a) much more traffic as interest peaks, and b) many more itchy trigger fingers as emotions run high.

but having said that, I could also switch allegiance to Obama, if Edwards fails to capture the nomination. I wouldn't be happy, but I wouldn't be sick to my stomach. I would be voting for Hillary solely to let Justice Stevens retire or die peacefully. That is not really the best reason to vote for a President.

because back in 2004, I figured that Hillary was the inevitable nominee and I was okay with that. Yet now that it is happening I find myself disgusted by it. First, that we lose the much better chance of an Edwards candidacy. Second, because I am afraid that she will hurt us down the ticket and reverse the gains we made in 2006. Third, I have not liked the way she assembled a big-money machine and collected endorsements. It's like a bunch of power-elites are forcing her on us.

and welcome to DU :hi:

simple candidate loyalty...I started by presuming that too, but then I read some of the posts (plates flying in the Oval Office, Edwards' comment - and on these particular so called incidents it's all sexist.
P.S And I don't hate any of them.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2624001

And tell me this isn't sexism.

These crying posts are flat out disgusting. And it has been virtually non-stop all day. What's even more disconcerting is the number of women joining in on the flamefest. Are they that ignorant that they will stoop to those levels?

I am not sure how it is sexist. Unless somehow any attack on a woman is sexist.

:D

I will gladly vote for and volunteer for whoever gets the nomination. I don't think it's healthy for Democrats to hate Democratic candidates.

stalking me around the board? :eyes: