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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:07 AM
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Final Rasmussen: Hillary makes up some ground...Edwards well back...
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:09 AM
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1. "the Illinois Senator enjoys a more than 2-to-1 advantage among Independent voters"
I'd rather have our nominee picked by Democrats.
YMMV.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:12 AM
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3. I'd rather
have a president picked by americans.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:15 AM
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7. How's that worked out for you the last seven years?
Good?
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:16 AM
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8. It didn't happen the last seven years.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:23 AM
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10. Irrelevant question n/t
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:46 AM
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26. ........
:thumbsup:
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:14 AM
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5. Thank Goodness. I thought that concept had been trampled......
by the groupies.
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undercoverduer Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:15 AM
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6. If you are a true Democrat his ability to draw independents and Republicans should encourage you. .
. . .its about growing the party. People aren't born Democrats they become Democrats, some of these independents and Republicans who support Obama will eventually become Democrats. You can throw your online tamtrums all you want, but its about growing the party.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:17 AM
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9. You have noticed that most Democrats aren't supporting Obama, haven't you?
I rather have a candidate Democrats support.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:24 AM
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13. Obama won dems and liberals in Iowa
So that makes you wrong.
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undercoverduer Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:34 AM
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20. It sure does. . .
LOL
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:37 AM
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21. You're saying Obama got 51% in Iowa?
Are you new here?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:53 AM
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31. No
Do you know how to read?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:07 AM
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38. OK, I'll type slower, just for you. Most Democrats don't support Obama.
I hate repeating myself, but repeition works when training dogs.
Perhaps it'll work with lesser animals, too.
Most Democrats don't support Obama.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:17 AM
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42. You hate repeating yourself
But you love being wrong.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:27 AM
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43. When there are seven candidates, it's a little hard to poll 50%, no matter how popular you are.
Besides, if you only someone Democrats support you may well end up with someone who only Democrats support.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:37 AM
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22. Iowa is a caucus state. That means a skewed sample skewed further by horse trading
I will be interested in seeing the break down along those lines from actual primary votes, though I concede in advance that NH is not necessarily typical of most states either. But that is a figure I will be interested in tracking over multiple contests in larger states.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:54 AM
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33. It's not typical because your candidate is going to lose
Right? Right.

You know somebody I know. He's a Clark supporter from Merrick, NY. He told me that he talks to you. I've worked on local campaigns with him.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:51 AM
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47. Iowa is not typical because it is atypical by design
But I always prefer that a candidate I support win any electoral contest, typical or atypical. They all know the rules for each going in to them. Hillary lost in Iowa. I am honestly interested in seeing how the Democratic vs Independent numbers break out over reapeated contests.

P.S. I think I know who you are talking about. I had dinner with him once and have spoken on the phone also. My girl friend has had more contact with him than I have had because of a coordinating role she was in. Please say hi for me when you see him.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:39 AM
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23. dont you mean most "older" democrats? n/t
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:58 AM
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37. Most Democrats aren't supporting Bill Richardson either
Especially after his attempt to filibuster the ABC TV debate last weekend.

Your guy took up about half the airtime with his long-winded meanderings.

But still I respect your right to support the candidate of your choice.

So why can't you respect the right of other DUers to support Obama?? :eyes:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:10 AM
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41. No shit, but I'm not claiming they do.
What I'm saying is I'd rather have Democrats pick our nominee.
Why is that a problem with ObamaNation?
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:41 AM
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44. I did not make the rules for the New Hampshire primary
It seems to me that including independents in the Dem primaries is a good way of growing the number of registered Dems and encouraging more people to vote for Dem candidates on election day.

But I guess if NH Democrats were really unhappy with allowing independents to vote in the Dem primary, they would change the rules.

All the candidates are taking part in the primaries under the same conditions and constraints.

In most of the big states, independents cannot vote in the Dem primaries. So I guess Obama supporters in those States should complain that the rules are stacked in Hillary's (and Edwards') favor?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:46 AM
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46. Damn, it wasn't you??
And all this time I thought it was.
:eyes:
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:10 AM
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40. ..And the inordinate amount of independents/rethugs supporting Obama are suspicious...
These folks typically are "right", why are they supporting BO? Not because he's so inspirational, it's because they want to upset the balance. Fortunately, when balance will be restored as other states hold their primaries.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:23 AM
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12. Our nominee can't win without independents
:shrug:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:32 AM
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18. 20 Million more Democrats than Republicans in the US.
And you think we "need" independents?
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:52 AM
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30. Assuming the independents vote
they would be giving their votes to either Dems or Pubs - If they go to the pubs, we lose.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:55 AM
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34. Are you kidding?
We don't? What happens if those independents vote for the republicans?
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:11 AM
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2. I thought you were no longer a Democrat?
But you are still here?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:23 AM
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11. From the DU Rules...
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Since I have said I would support Obama if he wins the nod, and intend on supporting Democratic candidates for Congress...I can still post here...if I am reading them correctly...

If I decide to support a non-Democrat...I won't...
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:34 AM
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19. If he doesn't support *your* candidate he's "no longer a Democrat"?
I :puke: on your shoes.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:47 AM
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28. I'm not a Dem and haven't been for over a decade
DU isn't just for people who are registered Democrats, but for those of us who SUPPORT Dem candidates and progressive and liberal ideals.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:12 AM
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4. Yeah, right, did they call it for Obama when they ran in Iowa?
I'll wait for the results before hanging my hat on their predictions.
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Rock_Garden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:25 AM
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14. Thanks, Elmer, for keeping up with this.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:25 AM
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15. Gee..I thought Obama was going to win by 30 Pts at least! Wha hoppen?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:29 AM
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17. Some Polls Have Hillary Closing...Some Polls Have Him Expanding His Lead...
The MSM is raisnig expectations for him by saying he's going to have a big win...
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:28 AM
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16. On January 6th they had Obama at 39%, Clinton at 27%
Hard to say if this change is just a blip or signs of a late breaking shift in some voter sentiments. It could just be an adjustment after the first wave of excitement of Obama winning Iowa settled in, a stabalizing of "the bump". Then again, last minute momentum can be a potent indicator. I still think Obama will win New Hampshire by 6 or 7%.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:41 AM
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24. yeah from what i hear

According to his disciples Obama's supposed to be winning close to 50%, so what happened. I think this might end up around 34% each at this rate.

So if this win is close and not the 12%, what does that mean.

There is no slam dunk here yet.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:46 AM
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27. Simply too soon to say
It has become an emotional election. Clinton might narrow the gap and finish a relatively close second, or Obama may pull further away again.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:45 AM
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25. just speculation here:
I wouldn't count Edwards out, remember how Howard Dean was riding high, and there definitely seems to be a lovefest between the media and Obama, the media could turn on him, and drag him down too. Leaving us Edwards, this is only the beginning of the race, anything could happen.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:54 AM
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32. Edwards got a good national bump out of being able to claim second in Iowa
Even if he just barely edged out Clinton in Iowa, he legitimately finished second there, and that gave him some positive press. However if Edwards comes in third in NH the opposite effect kicks in, especially if it isn't close. I think that would likely dampen the national polling numbers for Edwards. He would not then be one of the top two finishers moving on toward a Super Tuesday show down. In 2004 Edwards did every thing in his power to move the public framing of the nomination battle to a Two Person race, excluding Clark and Dean. There is a natural tendency for the media and public to settle on finalists. If Edwards doesn't have a strong showing in NH that type of framing will hurt him as much or more than the Iowa framing of his beating Clinton there helped him.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:47 AM
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29. I don't think you want to see the Zogby poll
It goes the other way.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:55 AM
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35. Pesky numbers. They just won't hold still, lol . When will they make up their mind?
Oh yeah, I remember now. Tonight.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:08 AM
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39. I saw it...and saw it posted here....
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 10:09 AM by SaveElmer
I didn't see the Rassmussen numbers posted...so posted them myself...
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DaLittle Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:57 AM
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36. NOBODY IS ANSWERING THE PHONE, SO HOW DOES POLLING MEAN SHI*?
:puke:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:45 AM
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45. CONTACT MSNBC RIGHT NOWWWWW
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