So, After Speaking With My Fiancee, It Became Clear Why Hillary Won

Women are going to vote for Hillary until she's out of the race.

My fiancee's best friend lives in New Hampshire. She's 26 years old and is a big-time Democrat. She's as liberal as they come.

She voted for Hillary.

Why?

Because she's a woman.

My fiancee is supporting Hillary.

Why?

Because she's a woman. It's that simple. She likes Obama. But she wants to see a woman president.

My mother is supporting Hillary.

Why?

Because she's a woman. She told me tonight that "it's time we had a woman president."


If Obama can't split the women vote, it won't matter how many young people he brings in. It won't matter how many independents he gets. If he gets beat by 10+ points among women, he won't beat Hillary very often.

It's that simple.

How does that fit in?

he split, at least, the female vote there. that's what he has to do to win.

If he can't do that, like what happened tonight, he won't be able to win, no matter how well he does among independents and young people.

Don't forget we've got a large number of states coming up soon, where Independents can't vote in our Primaries.

That's where Hillary will surge forward, because Democrats are FOR an EXPERIENCED candidate, women and Hispanics and African-Americans are for Hillary, not just women....the ONLY reason why Obama won Iowa was because he won the majority of Independent votes, what demographic does Obama have, he has the under 25's and they're the least likely to go out and vote in a General Election.

If one took the Independents out of the Iowa vote, Obama wouldn't have won Iowa.

He lost women to Clinton 47-30 in New Hampshire, yet he's only going to lose overall by perhaps 2%. So, he doesn't necessarily need to split it, but he definitely needs to do better than losing by 17%.

Perhaps as significant an issue is the independents. He won't have them available to "assist" in closer primaries.

may be a very different sample than primary voters.
Not every single mom can make it to a caucus.

And I'm not the only one.

deeper than "woman for president, yay!"

I happen to like Edwards' positions on most things more than I like Clinton's. The candidates' reproductive plumbing will not determine my vote.

Have elected female leaders, countries from Sri Lanka to Pakistan to the United Kingdom to New Zealand to Germany....I THINK it's BEYOND time that the United States moved forward and like got WITH the program and elected a female President.

it's also way beyond time for America to sign the Kyoto treaty, to "legalize it", to abolish the Electoral College, etc...noticing a trend? :shrug:

voters, especially older ones: at night, in the dark and voters with kids didn't show up either for the same reasons.

in the media, and to the party.

and I'm not for Hillary.

Seriously. I heard some guy on the Stephanie Miller show saying he likes hip-hop and that is why he is voting for Obama.

Not least because of strong black reluctance to initially back Obama, and that includes members of black hip hop. I remember I was surprised last week to hear backpack rap darling Lupe Fiasco had officially come out in support of Hillary Clinton.

But mostly because it sounds like 'code' talk.

Maybe somebody was pulling your Stephanie Miller's leg trying to be funny.

He did blurt out at the end that he also liked that Obama admitted to smoking pot.

Get at least a handful of facts right, before you announce the results of your scientific polling of....three women.

in this election. There have been such horrific things going on in this world because of the neocons and Republicans that are running this country that I would think the only thing to be considered in this race is whether or not the candidate cares about the American people--all American people--not just the upper classes. Being female or black is not a consideration with me. I just want someone to save America--and the rest of the world in the process.

that we've all grown accustomed to with our presidents.

"It's that simple. She likes Obama. But she wants to see a woman president."

So if, FSM forbid, Sec of State Rice was running for President... she might attract a significant following of DEMOCRATIC women voters, just because they want to see a woman president.

If I said something like... "I like Hillary, but I want to see a man as President so I'm voting for Edwards", I would be castigated for being a misogynistic asshole... but it's OK for women to vote for Hillary, even though they don't like her record or her positions as much as other candidates.

Whatever.

My mom and sister are also voting for Edwards.

Can Independents be women or can women be Independents.

Would you do a Venn diagram for me?

'Young people' are all male and vote the same
'Independents' are all male who don't all vote the same (that's why they're 'independent').
'Women' are not male.

was basically suggesting that she should get out of the way so that the two men can settle it between them, the women's vote is going to multiply. Because under our collective breath many of us are saying, "You go, girl! Show these bastards!" And that's exactly what happened in NH.

They're not some monolithic block of voters. Women constitute about 51% of the population here in the US, and their votes and voting rationale are equally as diverse as those of men. I doubt that your mother, fiancee and fiancee's friend are representative of all women any more than you, your father, and a couple of your friends are of all men.

it's a question of majorities.

A 15-point margin among any one group - especially if it's a group that dominates 57-43 overall - is insurmountable.

A simple link will do.

I like what she has done all her life and she's always been liberal. I think she will surprise a lot of people and be much more liberal than she seems. She has to sound more centrist in order to win the general Election. After she's president...she can go back to being more liberal. Just you wait and see.

From her website:

"Hillary Rodham had always been interested in politics, and now she took an active role in the school government. For a time she served as President of the College Republicans."

http://www.hillary-rodham-clinton.org/education.html

Obviously I meant as an adult...not a college kid. Also she doesn't want
to scare the Republicans away.

It wasn't obvious by your post.

College kids are adults, too.

I didn't say she didn't change, but she wasn't ALWAYS liberal. Just sayin'.

I personally thought it was pretty funny...but I guess I have a weird sense of humor.

Hard to tell with all the warring going on here.

:hi:

so I guess my sense of humor is pretty weird too. :)

Geez, lighten up a little.

:hi:

I can not believe you typed that!

OMFG!

There will be some Repubs who will vote for Hillary too. It happens in every election. People do cross over and why shouldn't they. Their vote is as good as any other.

On what planet?

If it's like this from here on out - we can just go ahead and coronate her now. As an Obama supporter I find this troubling - if not understandable.

a mighty big IF..she wins then I hope she doesn't disappoint them.

...who was the first Democratic voter in a family of Republicans, marched (while in her 50s) along with college kids in opposition to Nixon and Vietnam, and has always made a point of voting straight-ticket Democratic, says she will never vote for Hillary. If HRC's the nominee, she says, my mom will vote down-ticket and leave the presidential choice blank, even if her vote could decide the election.

And my wife, who has said that she'll vote for the Green Party candidate if Hillary's the nominee.

Both these women are as progressive as they come, but they won't vote for someone they can't trust...and they've both decided they can't trust Hillary.

But if they want to elect the right candidate they're going to have to do some soul-searching themselves to examine their own motives.

Hillary isn't going to try to change their minds and neither am I. Hillary will win or lose on her own merits and that has nothing to do with somebody elses ideas about who's deserving or not.

at my caucus. I didn't know I was supposed to realign for Hillary. Bad youthere! Bad!

I'm not supporting Hillary, and yet last I checked I was a woman.

Guess what? We can make our own choices based on more than the gender of the candidate.

LOL Couldn't resist.

However, every women does have a brain and is free to use it.
Women are smart and wouldn't vote for a women unless she was deserving.
On the other hand, women shouldn't refuse to vote for a women just because she was female.

Yes, People change! I actually voted for Raygun! Please don't beat me!

the media should not have pummeled her. Gloria and other women who are old enough to remember back in the the day had to tell their daughters about the movement. The media & the boys left no choice but for women to say, Hell NO we won't sit down and shut-up. Glad they all did what they should not have.:)

and I am not alone.

You need to get out more. We're slightly more than half of the population. And we think as differently among ourselves as men do.