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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:11 AM
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EXIT POLL- CLINTON 39% OBAMA 37%
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:12 AM
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1. Gee. Another dead on exit poll.
They work so well, unless George Bush is in the election. Ain't that funny?
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:12 AM
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2. can't get much closer than that. nt
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unc70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:55 AM
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28. Did the percentages match before final results reported, or were the "adjusted"
to match the final results. That has been a problem many times; the exit polls are "forced" to make the totals match the final vote results with the goal of removing certain sampling biases. For example, if the percent of women in the poll sample differ from that of the poll signin, then you might weight the polling data to "correct" for this difference between the sample and the population.

Unfortunately, they also adjust these weights so that their sample results by candidate are forced to match the tabulated votes; this results in the adjusted exit polls suddenly matching the tabulated results. This would be a valid adjustment if you are looking at the opinion questions. But it completely frustrates any attempts to detect election fraud while providing plenty of "reasons" to explain what might have happened. That is why you really need the raw exit data in order to do any serious auditing of the anomalies.

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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 04:10 AM
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32. They must have matched.
I got a text message from a mate of mine down here in Australia at least 2 hours before the AP called it for Clinton. The text said that CNN had called it for Clinton. He didn't really understand the system of "calling it" for a candidate and had actually read the exit polls on CNN at that moment. Again, several hours before the votes were finally counted.

Something else happened besides the fraud/shenanigans/cheating that is being referred to by others here on DU.

Can't we just move on to the next state and wait for things to fall into place?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:04 AM
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34. Nope
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:12 AM
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3. Clearly Diebold was running the exit polls too
:sarcasm:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:14 AM
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4. Xactly
The folks that are suggesting the Clinton's rigged the election now have to prove they rigged the exit polls also...
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:15 AM
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6. Why do they have to prove it? lol.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:18 AM
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8. Before They Announced The Winner
I saw that women were breaking 47% -34% for Clinton and men were breaking 42% -30% for Obama and there were more women voting I knew mathematically Obama couldn't win unless the exit polls were wrong...
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:19 AM
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10. I am so tired of the stolen election meme
its the last refuge of a losing campaign.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:15 AM
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5. lol
...sometimes we just can't resist pointing out the obvious!
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:16 AM
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7. Go figure.
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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:18 AM
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9. Okay I read that whole page and did not see those numbers
Not one of those had a basic voting election poll that I saw
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:22 AM
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12. Thank you. I had the same difficulty finding the results stated in top post.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:31 AM
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19. Please See Posts Fifteen And Seventeen
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:20 AM
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11. Where do you see HC=39%/BO=37%?
This tells me everything except for those numbers: i.e. the total % for each candidate. I see "by gender, by age" etc. but not the totals.

I scrolled all the way to bottom, but still no totals. Are they there somewhere and I'm just not seeing them?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:28 AM
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15. Sure
Men and women are binary or mutually exclusive categories... Take the results each candidate got among men and women then divide it by the amount of men and women that participated...

I hope that makes sense...
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:33 AM
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20. Ok .. thanx for responding.
but you'd think CNN could afford to produce results that you didn't need a calculator to figure out the most basic information, like who won by what %. whatever.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:36 AM
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23. Ha
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 01:36 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
The exit polls' first purpose is to highlight who voted for who and why... The horse race numbers are secondary...
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:29 AM
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17. You can extrapolate it from the gender data.
Multiply the percentage of female voters each candidate got by the percentage of female voters in the entire sample, and you get the percentage of the entire sample that candidate got in female voters.

Then do the same thing for male voters.

Then add the percentages together and you get the total percentage of voters that candidate got in the sample.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:36 AM
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22. How arcane can CNN get? just to find out the bottom line of who freakin won by %... odd.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:36 AM
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24. I agree, it makes no sense
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:39 AM
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25. Exit Polling Is To Let Us Know Who Voted For Who And Why
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:31 AM
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18. you have to do the math
I don't know why they don't just give the total %. Silly. But they give the % of voters by gender, so the overall percentages can be calculated. Weight the male and female percentages of the vote by the percentages of each gender and add them together.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:35 AM
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21. got it. thanx. nt
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:24 AM
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13. K and R because my husband was suspicious.
;) I assured him that when the exit polls match, it's an indicator that all is on the up and up.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:27 AM
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14. Good.
I am glad they matched. No funny business.
I was under the impression that they did not.

Funny thing:

41% of HC voters had positive impression of Bush Administration
29% of Obama voters had positive impression of Bush Administration
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Anouka Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:28 AM
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16. So, to the pundits, women prefer Bush more than men?
or no spin necessary for that one?
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:01 AM
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27. You would have to break...
...that particular statistic down by gender - without that, one would just be guessing.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:42 AM
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26. Exit polls are very useful.
They caused a minor revolution in the Ukraine in 2004? and elsewhere in the world.

They were ignored in the US in 2000 and 2004 as evidence of election fraud surfaced in both presidential elections.

And recently they caused upheaval in Kenya. http://en.epochtimes.com/news/7-12-27/63326.html

Pre-election polling for New Hampshire was made difficult by so many new voters and the sudden surge of independnets from Obama to McClain.

But it looks like the exit polls were right on.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:56 AM
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29. Man, that Diebold hacks *everything*
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:59 AM
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30. Exit polls are always on the money....just as they were correct when they said Gore won Florida....
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 04:01 AM by GreenTea
in 2000....The media & republicans did their best to try convince everyone the exit aren't reliable only their stealing of votes were....but again, the exit polls were correct in Florida, as we found out, and as they have been everywhere else for century's.

People have no reason to lie coming out of the voting booth who they voted for...but pollsters, and lying partisans do.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 04:03 AM
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31. They are after they're adjusted to reflect final tallies, yes.
It's the tallies that are rigged.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 04:49 AM
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33. That can't happen untill after the real votes start coming in though
The first reports that leaked from exit polls in 2004 showed a Kerry win. The leaks from NH all afternoo from exit polls were reporting that Clinton could be winning. The earliest "non adjusted" reports were consistent with the final results. That is not how it was in 2004.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 10:17 AM
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36. Don't confuse people with facts
They will believe what they want to believe.
:eyes:
Seriously, I wish people would realize that it becomes harder and harder to convince people of the real threat of vote fraud when they cry about it every time they don't like the outcome of an election. It's called crying wolf.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:45 AM
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35. Way to go Hillary!

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