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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:14 AM
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What does Obama do now?
Serious answers here people. How should Obama frame his campaign now? I think he stays with his strong positive message of hope. He shouldnt go super negative like some people, and should be prepared to give the debate of his life in a week in Nevada.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:16 AM
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1. He needs details
He better figure out how to weave details into his speech, and work on accomplishments to offset experience. And it wouldn't hurt to talk directly to Democrats as often as he talks to independents.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:19 AM
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9. great advice
get his record out there because he does have a good one.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:16 AM
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2. Carries On As He Is, Sir: He Is Doing Fine
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:17 AM
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3. Ride the wave, just ride the wave, baby. nt
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:17 AM
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4. He needs to wonk it up a little more
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 03:17 AM by maddiejoan
Truthfully -- That's what I need to hear more from him on.

Change, Hope I get it --I wanna hear some "How"

this isn't meant as a snark. I'm quite serious. That's what I need from him.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 11:08 AM
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34. That was actually the early criticism against him.

He was too wonkish. Took him a couple months on the presidential campaign trail to get better at the soundbite. He was terrible in the early debates for this very reason. You (and I) are in a very tiny minority when it comes to prefering long, detailed explanations.

His legislative record betrays that. Lots of little, but important, stuff rather than sexy legislation on hot button issues.


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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 11:12 AM
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36. I still need to hear it
on the campaign trail.

It's not just about convincing ME --it's about convincing America.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:18 AM
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5. He adapts.
He's smart and has got good people around him.

He used his Iowa bump to get a 8 pt bounce in NH....even if the media made sure that that's all he got with their Inevitable coronation of Obama, which NH voters weren't go with...cause they are ornery anyways.

He'll retool, include more policy data in his appeal....and yes, he'll have to do a good debate.

The media aren't gonna mess with him much for right now....so that helps!



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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:18 AM
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6. He'll be fine. SC seems in the bag, if he gets NV he's good for super tues.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:19 AM
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8. Why should SC be in the bag?
I feel like all polls are suspect right now.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 10:27 AM
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33. sc is in the bag because...
he's going to get the black vote far and away more than hillary get's the female vote. she can't possibly win in a state where 50% of democrats are black.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:20 AM
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10. Like your optimism annie!
Why do you assume SC is in the bag? Hope it's bagged, sealed, and delivered already :hi:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:18 AM
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7. Do you want to know what I like about Barack Obama? Glad you asked!
He does what he's been doing; he is a very smart and thoughtful man. He's also very gracious. He's been hit with some stuff, and I don't think he's ever attacked. Mr. Obama is a gentleman, and they are so few and far between. Wow! A gentleman! There used to be so many more of them; what a concept.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:21 AM
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12. I didnt ask...jerk.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:23 AM
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16. Jerk? Pack sand yourself. nt
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:29 AM
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18. haha, my young self has no clue what that means
lol.
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:20 AM
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11. Stay positive
That's his bag and he needs to keep it up. People expect it from him. It represents a good deal of his attraction to voters. I'd like to see him get a little more specific on the issues, though. I think that hurt him a little bit tonight, especially in NH, a quirky state where people actually take time to weigh the issues.

At the end of the day he has more upside to new/undecided voters than Hillary does. There's really no disputing that IMO. Yes, that's largely because people are only now getting to know him whereas they've had 15 years to get to know Hillary, but it's an important factor to consider moving forward.

He's got plenty of money, and is an infinitely more interesting personality than Clinton. That will keep him in the mix and at this point, that's all that matters.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:22 AM
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13. Go to Nevada and accept the Culinary Workers Endorsement...
...which sways as many as 60,000 votes in his favor. Then do a little campaigning. Maybe play some slots (can you use winnings towards your campaign?). Definitely stay away from the strip clubs. Walk the Strip and press the flesh. Eat at a few restaurants to thank the culinary workers. And maybe cap off the trip with a show. Yep, that should work.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 04:39 AM
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25. there saying now because he lost he won't get there support
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 11:11 AM
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35. He got better than that, the NATIONAL union is now endorsing him...
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 05:33 AM
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32. Good Advice: Stay away from the strip clubs ....
They'll all be packed with Republican candidates and staff.

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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:22 AM
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14. He carries on; he's running a great campaign. Both he and Clinton are titans.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:23 AM
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15. do what he did to win in Iowa but on a larger scale
in Iowa for that long time before the caucus and when he was not leading in the polls he focused on getting out the records, positions , issues, details etc to the people. they knew he could work the crowd already so he needed to show he was good on policy also.

run ads focusing on his experience, record, issues .
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:24 AM
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17. What he doesn't do is quit.
I think he is doing okay but people might want a bit more on his detailed plans.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:37 AM
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19. Win the debate in Nevada.
Campaign there until the caucus while running new ads in South Carolina. Come in a strong second or win and then take South Carolina by storm.

Barack has been tepid in the debates so far. I suspect that will be gone now.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 05:25 AM
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31. Yep.
He needs to prove himself in the next debate.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:39 AM
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20. He points out that from October to this election,
he gained many points in New Hampshire -- based on a comparison of October polls with the election outcome. In fact, Obama is the real winner in New Hampshire.

I am an Edwards supporter. I believe Edwards is the best candidate. He has been shunned by the press and is still fighting. He is much more savvy than Obama about how the game works. Edwards would know how to handle this.

That is why the press did not interview Edwards or acknowledge that he was second in Iowa. His second in Iowa was actually a win. To gain that place, Edwards had to attract new voters. Here in New Hampshire, Edwards actually gained voters between September and the election. Edwards also is on the upswing.

Remember, Hillary was sold to us as the inevitable candidate. Both Iowa and New Hampshire prove that was hype. She is not a very attractive candidate. The truth is people don't like her. And, if the truth were told, people would realize that they should not trust the huge machine that is attempting to manipulate her into the candidacy.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:42 AM
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21. I think he's already doing it. His speech tonight showed more attention to concrete issues
rather than just lofty rhetoric.

Clinton clearly listened to what people were saying about her campaign, and made adjustments that propelled her forward.

Perhaps Obama has heeded concerns that he is all style and little substance, and will be more specific about his positions when he speaks.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:44 AM
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22. He continues to be cocky and over-confident...
he calls on Edwards to tag~team Clinton at the next debate and then he makes some snarky remark about her "likability" that shows his barely hidden contempt for females who dare question him. He keeps spinning fairy tales about hopin' and wishin' and dreamin' but he doesn't go into any details as to how he will achieve these aspirations.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:46 AM
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23. Show me where he called on Edwards to tag team Clinton?
Seems to me like Edwards defended him all by himself.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 04:02 AM
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24. I wrote "calls". Not "called".
I figure that the tag~team thing worked so well at the debate that Obama would want to go back for sloppy seconds.:evilgrin:
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 05:02 AM
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26. Spreading the message of Hope?????????????
You people won't listen....HE---------HAS-------TO---------TELL-------PEOPLE-------WHAT------HE WOULD --------DO---------IMPROVE-----THE MIDDLE CLASS-------AND THE POOR.


He has got to tell people what he would do, if he because president. He can not stand on a stage and jump up and down and give speechs with hope bullshit. He has to give them some SUBSTANCE. Tell them what he thinks we should do to rebuild America. Give them a reason, except he is a rock star, to vote for him. The doodle boppers will rally around, but when it comes to winning elections. He has to appeal to the people who vote, the middle class and the seniors. To the ones who know what we need in this country.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 05:16 AM
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27. Be Grateful.
His issues aren't nearly as complex as Hillary's. She needs to deal with "The shadow", or the fact that her husband is polling higher than her, which is very bad, but she can't "bring him down" because he's also a huge asset for her. Obama's slate is so much cleaner, he can really focus on his issues...If I were him I would focus on this nice simplicity he can offer at this point.
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 05:18 AM
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28. The interesting thing is that could actually work in his favore down the line
I think NH and Iowa voters are unique in that they really take time with the issues. From here on out, it's sound bite campaigning and I'm pretty sure Obama (and to a lesser extent) Edwards are better at that than she is. We shall see, at any rate.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 05:23 AM
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30. Yeah, Obama can almost be more honest with quick sound bites.
Because his situation is really simpler at this point. So that's a very good thing for him. Hillary might have to rely on being a little more symbolic; which is to say she has to figure out ways to try represent complex situations with less information than she would like to use.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 05:19 AM
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29. I think he played it too safe in NH
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 05:21 AM by killbotfactory
The polls convinced him he could, and it backfired a bit. He was in her backyard. He needed to wow people at the debate, and not just scrape by without a gaffe, in order to cement his post-Iowa "surge" (if it was even real at all). He needs to run like he's twenty points behind at all times.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 11:15 AM
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37. To quote a Chicago Sun-Times columnist today...

Take a lesson from Mayor Daley and pretend to be the underdog until the last vote is counted.

While I believe New Hampshire largely flipped at the last minute to repudiate the misogynistic bullshit that came out at the last minute, part of the problem was Obama taking it for granted. He hopefully learned in five days what it took Hillary ten months to figure out. People are turned off by arrogance. And there is a fine line behind celebrating a victory and being arrogant about it.


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